PhD in Business [Quick Complete Option]?

However, if you want to go tenure in accounting at UCF you still need an AACSB accredited degree:

Candidates for assistant professor must possess a Ph.D. in accounting from an AACSB-accredited institution (completed no later than August 2013) and demonstrate excellent research potential, including the ability to publish in premier accounting journals (TAR, JAR, JAE, CAR, AOS). The normal teaching load for assistant professors is 2/2 with one course preparation.

Candidates for associate professor must also possess a Ph.D. in accounting from an AACSB-accredited institution and meet UCF tenure standards as evidenced by publications in premier accounting journals and demonstrated excellence in teaching.

Interesting, only a PhD is mentioned here.

 

The difference is the salary, an Assistant professor in Accounting at UCF makes around 160K, check Prof Tian salary (Assistant professor of Accounting):

Salaries in Florida's universities

Prof Hornik is only a Lecturer in Accounting and he makes 100K (Not bad)

Salaries in Florida's universities

Most low tier universities would offer 50 to 60K to an assistant professor. Bottom line is that the OP wants to teach at a top school that offers top salaries, it is not realistic to make it there with a doctorate from Argosy, Walden, etc. I couldn't locate even one full time faculty member with any of the schools discussed here (Walden, Argosy, Capella, TUI, etc) teaching at UCF.

The question is if the Doctorate from Argosy + AACSB Post bridge = PhD from an AACSB accredited school. My guess is that some schools might accept it while others not. The schools that cannot get enough applicants might accept it (e.g. small school in the middle of nowhere) while schools with plenty applicants might not (e.g. UFC).

 

There are some successful stories, please check the examples below:


Satinder Dhiman, PhD, EdD
Robert Jinkens, PhD
Joan Marques, PhD, EdD,
School of Business

Daniel E Gaygen
Daniel E Gaygen | Business | Buffalo State

Kevin Renshler, Ph.D.
Kevin Renshler, Ph.D. | Barton College

Premalata Sundaram
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=40817236&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=nQzA&locale=en_US&srchid=600063461375546515183&srchindex=1&srchtotal=1&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A600063461375546515183%2CVSRPtargetId%3A40817236%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary



An article below talks about the efficiency of this post
doctoral bridge
Abstract - 2011 AAA Annual Meeting
The article mentions that "Findings suggest that the AACSB original goal is not being met. ". This seems to suggest that the post doc bridge is not as efficient as it claims to be.



Although the bridge has worked for this people, it is worth noticing that most of these people had very good previous credentials (some even two doctorates) and had previous teaching experience.

The bridge seems to be realistic if your previous background is impressive and just need a "boost" to break into business teaching. However, it might not be so effective for someone with no teaching experience and weaker previous credentials.

Although the bridge is expensive and "risky", I think is still a better bet than another doctorate from a non AACSB accredited institution.

 

I reckon it bears repeating every so often: the best route to a college teaching career is to teach. Get good at it. Start small at a community college doing weekend or night courses, and then grow into a full-time position. Add education as you need to keep fresh and move up. The jump to the mythical tenure-track dream job is easier if you are a known quantity with great classroom ratings or interesting research. It's not the kind of career where you get the required education, tick the PhD box and then start.

 

At the same time, we've often heard something different. The best way to get a college teaching job is to publish. Do some research and then get it out there in the public's eye. This is not something I have personal knowledge of, I'm just repeating what others have said. Getting an adjunct job teaching at a CC may or may not be the way to land a full-time tenure track college teaching job. What do others think?

 

True, I think all these things help. But it's good to know that you enjoy teaching (or research) and are good at it. It's a drag to see someone pin all their hopes on something they haven't tried only to flame out because they can't command a class, or dread every minute of getting up there. Over the years I worked alongside people who just couldn't hack it or the the students hated them and found them boring or incompetent. More often then not, it was all of the above. They fortunately had their industry jobs to go back to.

 

It depends, if your goal is to teach at a CC or small 4 year college, this might be the best way to go. However, the OP seems to be interested in teaching at the UCF. Research schools like UCF need the publications for ranking purposes so the research becomes key.

Bottom line is competition, I quoted few examples in my previous posts of few professors that have two doctorates from top schools + AACSB Post Doc bridge and teach at a small school that is not even AACSB accredited (School of Business).

The reality is that highly ranked schools would expect not just an AACSB accredited doctorate but potential to be able to publish at top journals. The skill required to publish at top journals would require networking with top professors and many years of full time study that normally is not part of part time distance programs.

In few words, if the OP is set for a tenure track for a school like UCF, the best bet is to do a full time residential program at a ranked AACSB accredited school. Any other option carry high risk and might put the OP in the same position that is now (e.g. Another distance doctorate, post doc AACSB bridge, etc.

 

Totally agree with RF on this. If you want to teach at an AACSB accredited school, your best bet is a doctorate from an AACSB school, with the networking and publications that go with that. In addition to research, top-tier schools are interested in your ability to bring in grant money for the institution.

On the other hand, if you want to teach at a non-AACSB school, then teaching experience as an adjunct, community college, etc., will be important. For instance, I'm not expected to publish (kind of hard with teaching 15 credit hours this semester (12 hours normal load + 3 hours overload). However, I am expected to engage in the Boyer Model of Scholarship. Serving as a Peer Reviewer for HLC will weigh heavy in my favor at tenure time; more so than publication.

Shawn

 

I agree on all points. Here are the backgrounds of the people you listed:
The Ohio State University
Phd, Economics

Ph.D., The Ohio State University

Ph.D. in cognitive psychology from the University at Buffalo

Ed.D. from Pepperdine University’s Graduate School of Education and

PhD is from the University of Hawaii at Mânoa in Accounting Education

Ed.D. from Pepperdine University’s GSEP

I like the idea of a stronger MBA or a couple of indusrty certs. I know you mention a CPA all the time as a great example, and it is, unless you hate accounting (like me) :yell:

 

Most openings are in accounting. It seems that accounting faculties would be more open to someone without a doctorate.


The other option is to become a professional adjunct, some people make a decent living as an adjunct. I was making 70 to 80K as an online adjunct for several schools, it is not such a bad deal if you move to an area with low cost of living.

 

In Florida it would take a year experience in accounting to sit for the exam so, in a sense, you would need to make a career change to sit for the exam to hope to pass to hope to get an adjunct/teaching position.

Division of Certified Public Accounting


Mail all applications and supporting documentation to:
DBPR Central Intake Unit
1940 North Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0783



REQUIREMENTS FOR LICENSURE

PASS ALL FOUR PARTS OF CPA EXAMINATION: with at least a 75% within 18 month rolling period.
ONE YEAR WORK EXPERIENCE: Must be verified by a licensed CPA (This experience can be obtained prior to the application, while sitting for the exam or after all four parts of the exam has been passed. However, requirements to sit for the exam must be met before work experience commences.)
TOTAL REQUIRED HOURS: 150 semester or 200 quarter hours
TOTAL UPPER DIVISION ACCOUNTING HOURS: 36 semester or 54 quarter to include the following: Taxation, Auditing, Financial, Cost/Managerial and Accounting Info Systems.
TOTAL UPPER DIVISION GENERAL BUSINESS HOURS: 39 semester hours or 58 quarter hours to include the following: six (6) semester hours or eight (8) quarter hours of business law. One course can be at a lower lever (freshman or sophomore), the other course must be upper division (junior level or higher). Business Law 1 and Legal Environment of Business are often considered duplicate.

Other important information: These requirements include the requirements to sit for the CPA exam under the 120 semester or 160 quarter hour rule.

CPA - Licensure

 

Although UCF may state "Ph.D. from an accredited institution" I believe it would be safe to say an AACSB PhD would carry much more weight.

Prof Hornik is a lecturer in Accounting with a a PhD from Florida International University, an AACSB accredited state school.

I agree with your observations and always considered you the voice of reason with regards to non-AACSB DBA/PhDs.

 

Some states grant "a CPA certificate" rather than a CPA license to those that passed the exam but have not professional experience.

An alternative is to write the CMA exam. The CMA certificate is quite flexible in terms of experience contrary to the CPA that most of the times requires experience in a CPA firm.

The idea of the CPA or CMA is also to show that you have some experience rather than just a paper qualification.

If someone is looking for a full time teaching position at a small University or CC, I think the MBA + CPA would be more powerful than an MBA + online PhD/DBA in general management.

Of course you need to like numbers and be good at it.
The other option is the CFA, MBA + CFA seems to be also quite powerful for teaching positions.

Accounting teaching positions are in demand, if you don't believe me check the highered jobs site below:

Accounting Jobs - HigherEdJobs

There are 260 jobs listed, many professor positions are willing to take just a Masters degree. Check the position below for example:

http://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/details.cfm?JobCode=175781404&Title=Business%2FAccounting%20Faculty

"
PhD preferred-MBA or MBA/CPA with 5 plus years verifiable industry experience
Prior college teaching experience is required in a live classroom setting with accounting and business classes
Prior significant accounting teaching
MA in Education is NOT acceptable
On-line degrees are NOT acceptable
US PhD only
Please indicate an accurate salary requirement and teaching philosophy in cover letter. This is a nine month position starting in September 2014. Salary listed as open will not be considered. Respond. No Phone Calls Please. "

The employer would rather a MBA + CPA than an online PhD in this case

 

Appreciate your insight. When I worked on my doctoral degree, I had absolutely no interest in teaching. If I had, I might have gone to UCF instead of Argosy [although, the majority of the time I took to earn my Argosy degree was spent face-to-face]. Things have changed and I, along with it. I would welcome a full-time teaching position anywhere. Heck, at this point, I'd welcome a part-time teaching position, and have applied to several schools to make this happen. I've had no nibbles so far. So, I wait....

 

I've made the decision to work on my MBA. I'm looking into Florida State, University of Florida, Florida Gulf Coast University or Auburn U. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. I appreciate each and every input.

Blessings,

 

Sounds great! I would recommend you go for one that offers residence options to build a network. I think UF is higher ranked then FSU and definitely higher then FGCU.

 

Great information! Thanks...Right now, there is a glut of instructors available in the business field, in the online teaching pool. I've been looking--no, searching, diligently, for a teaching gig and haven't been finding anything in the business area. I am not giving up, but I just want you to know that if these positions were available they'd be choices I would pursue without reservation. Without them, I may, although reluctantly, have to resort to other alternatives.

 

I wouldn't last one week in an accounting course. I loathe accounting [like you, Randell]. I'm going the stronger MBA route. Money is what's holding me back from better choices but right now, I feel my options are (1) University of Florida [if they'll let me in], Florida Gulf Coast University and Auburn University. I live really close to Florida Tech but as you probably are aware, their MBA program isn't AACSB accredited. Although FIT is regarded highly in my area of Florida. I really would rather not take two years to complete any program but it seems I am going to have to contend with the pre-req requirements many of the schools demand from non-business undergrad majors. I also have never taken the GRE or GMAT. Finally, I would like to jump in and begin today, if possible [smile], but few of the schools identified permit entry several times a year. I am continuing to look. Thanks Randell. You are so wise!

 

Steve: Hi! No, you're right...I'm definitely not ignoring any teaching opportunity with any college. I knew someone working at UCF which was how the conversation about Argosy came up. I've applied at BCC [now Eastern Florida State College] and have an application in to Everest University as well. In addition, I've inquired about teaching at FIT and Webster but none of these need instructors with a business discipline, right now. Oh, I'd drive to Indian River in a heart beat. I don't mind that at all. I have applications in, everywhere. I've found that if one doesn't know anybody who can field your application through to the hiring authorities, they're going to have a difficult time being noticed. The area I live in, is small. I may have to relocate to a larger city. With the Space Program off the table, Brevard County is struggling with lack of job vacancies right now.