PhD in Business [Quick Complete Option]?

Thank you, RichC. I need something that might potentially provide me with qualifications to teach at UCF, if a position becomes available.

 

Thank you Ted. Appreciate your thoughts.

 

Yes, but you can also qualify if you teach at a school with AACSB accreditation. If LadyExecutive teaches few classes at a AACSB accredited school, this would qualify her to take the bridge.

The other alternative is just to do a recognized business certification such as CFA or CPA. Plenty of people teach at a business with non business doctorates provided they have a recognized certification.

Doing a second doctorate is too much work and expensive, there are plenty of people that teach at a business school with non business doctorates. Publications in recognized business journals would also make you eligible according to AACSB accreditation rules.

The bridge can be completed in a year so this seems to be the most suitable path. Admission to the bridge might also vary from school to school, Ladyexecutive might want to try few schools.

I personally tried the Grenoble program with a DBA from a non AACSB accredited school, the program director at the time told that I would qualify provided that my concentration was different from my original DBA.

Walden also offers post doctoral bridges for non business doctorates, these bridges are meant to qualify people for teaching positions in business. Walden, however, is not AACSB accredited so the utility of these bridges is limited.

 

RFValve

I too looked into the Bridge Program about a year ago and was told the same thing Randell was told. I'll dig into it more in the coming days. Thanks for the heads up. Just wanted to add this though, About a week ago, I was speaking with a professor at the University of Central Florida [UCF]. He taught business courses and encouraged me to apply.

During our conversation, he asked me which institution I received my doctoral degree from. I mentioned Argosy University and he expressed that he knew of at least three people, with Argosy University doctorates who had applied to UCF to teach and was turned down.

While he didn't spell out specific reasons, his conversation with me and the impression of other professors [instructors] with impressive academic credentials leads me to the conclusion that Argosy University doctoral degrees are not well respected in academia. I may be wrong, but I’m open to arguments proving the contrary.

 

Shay,

Argosy University's programs are not AACSB accredited. UCF's are. Bottom line, UCF is not going to look at a candidate from a non-AACSB school, unless the candidate has a very strong publishing and/or executive experience (think Fortune 500 executive leadership).

If you want a job at an AACSB institution, I would highly encourage you to attend the Academy of Management Annual Meeting. I would sign-up for a session to have an article critiqued by a senior editor. Then start cranking out the research.

I also would encourage you to look for positions at a smaller, non-AACSB institution. Get some FT teaching experience, along with some research, and that will open more back doors for you, IMHO.

 

There is indeed a bias against for profit doctorates in academia. Most traditional AACSB accredited schools would look down at for profit institutions (e.g. Walden, Argosy, etc).

A second business doctorate from a low tier school is going have the same impact. If you decide to do a second doctorate, do one from a traditional AACSB accredited school.
There are some online AACSB accredited options including University of Liverpool and Grenoble. However, I think these options would still suffer from bias compared to any traditional AACSB accredited doctorate so they might come second for a job position.


I believe that fields in demand such as accounting, finance, IT, etc might be easier to access with a low tier doctorate.

I still think that you are better off with an MBA from a top school (e.g. Duke) than spending 50 to 60K in another low tier doctorate from a school like NCU, Walden, etc.

There are success stories of people with online doctorate from online school in academia but not that many.

If you check professional social networking sites like linkedin, you will see that most people with PhDs from online institutions work at the same type of online institutions or low tier schools.

 

I've started to look into the Grenoble Bridge Program. Is it your opinion that I should consider undertaking the above in addition to the Bridge Program, if I am approved? Just curious. I do thank you and everyone participating in this discussion. I'm here to learn, understand, take advice and give it when needed. So, feel free to give me your perspective knowing that I will take them seriously.

 

I think that if someone comes with a resume with 5 publications from journals listed in the FT list, this would be enough to kill any argument about the credibility of the doctorate.

Technically, to be AQ to teach at a AACSB accredited school, all you need is peer reviewed publications in credible journals. The OP can decide to build a strong research publication portfolio rather than spending another 50K in a second doctorate.

Few graduate certificates from top schools would also help, this would help to meet the 18 credit requirement that many school have.

You can "Save" your doctorate from Argosy, but need to "pimp your degree" with publications, graduate certificates and teaching experience.

 

I would suggest you to talk to somebody who has finished AACSB Bridge program and were able to successfully teach at an AACSB school and also acceptance of this Program.

 

I absolutely agree with you about the better option for me if my end game is to find a place in academia. It is not that I am opposed to an MBA, but I just don't know of any high tier program that I'd be able to complete online or mostly online. I cannot travel right now given that I am now a single [divorcing] mother of school age children. Online or a school within driving distance are my only viable options. The cost is also a critical component of the decision I make right now. Either way, I'm looking to decide soon about which option I take. Your contribution and the in-put of the many replies here are so very appreciated and welcomed. Obliged.

 

In terms of time factor, it would seem the Bridge Program's one year completion time-frame [as an example] as opposed to the time it would take to publish thee to five articles in legitimate publications is the quicker route? Looking back, I had the opportunity to publish a paper about Multinational Corporations in a journal whose name I cannot recall at this time. My professor asked me to publish and I said I would but never followed up. I looked through my email trying to find the guidelines he sent me but I must have deleted it. I'll try to find his name and approach him to find out if the option is still available to me. At the time, he was on the publishing board [or held some decision-making position]. I could just slap myself right now. Sheesh!

 

Great idea. Thanks.

 

Personally, I think you are better off not investing the cash in a bridge program, and put your energies into finding a FT teaching job, and work on research. You might also find that you like teaching at a "lower tier" school. I enjoy my current position, and while I am very busy, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

 

Look at the AACSB website. There is a resume section of people that completed the program - call them. I honestly think this is a non-issue because of the admission requirement. Also, even you did get in I would we concerned with spending $25K on a program with little to no history of success. School do not have to "accept" a bridge program. Maybe an MBA from UF or a graduate certificate from Harvard is what is needed.

 

I do agree, I had considered teaching at Eckerd College (liberal arts college) and spoke to the dean at one point. They did have a management instructor that had a PhD from Walden and he said online only/DL/for-profit PhDs were not an issue for him especially since I had the corporate experience in management leadership.

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This depends a lot on the networks that you develop during the program and the research publications you are able to pull out.

Everything has risk, I agree that the best would be to get a FT teaching position but my guess is that the OP has already tried that and for this reason is trying to do a second doctorate.

I have been in this forum for more than 10 years and the question of getting a tenure track position with a distance doctorate comes quite often.

For what I have seen, there is a market for that is open to distance learning doctorates. These are schools that normally don't get enough applicants because they are in small cities or state schools that cannot afford to pay a lot for full time faculty.

If one wants to remain in a metro area or wants to make 150K+, the distance doctorate doesn't seem to be realistic option. It is all about competition, I am sure that a tenure track position in a city like Chicago or Toronto would get enough quality applicants from top schools and anyone with PhDs from online or no name schools have almost no chance. On the other hand, if you apply to a place that hardly gets any applicants, the Argosy, Capella or Walden PhD might get the attention because hardly anyone is applying.

I have been teaching at different schools for more than 13 years and now full time at a AACSB accredited University. For what I have seen, it is a lot more difficult to get teaching jobs now than 13 years ago due to few reasons including the bad economy, more people with higher education and online doctorates. 13 years ago was easy to get a teaching job in IT just with a Masters degree but now most schools need a doctorate.

I wish I could give advice to the OP that has no risk but things are not simple now, any option that you take carries risk. My only suggestion is not to invest a lot of money in something that has high risk, the publication and part time teaching advice seems to be the cheaper alternatives that can lead you to that full time teaching position.

 

The problem with the bridge is that is not a degree but a certificate. It would be more interesting if this was actually a "PhD" and not just a "post doc certificate".

Not many people know what is this. My guess is that might work for people that are already working as full time contract faculty and just need this to apply for a tenure track.

I don't think it might be "so" difficult to get in. It appears that some schools are not getting enough applicants. Money talks, if schools are starving because of lack of applicants, I am sure that they will be open to accept an Argosy graduate.
Post-Doctoral Bridge to Business Program | Virginia Tech

 

If I'm wrong, Shay can correct me, but it appears that she has only considered one school, UCF. If she is willing to move, there are teaching opportunities available. Based on her signature line, I would think that many small schools would like to have someone who could teach law, public policy, and leadership.

I know that uprooting family can be tough from firsthand experience, but Shay has a terminal degree. If she wants to teach, she is going to have to consider relocation.

Shawn

 

read the fine print

Good advice unless the school requires AACSB, as many are now doing.

From University of Central Florida (UCF) position available dated 7/19/2013:

https://www.jobswithucf.com/postings/35778

Lecturer

Position Minimum Qualifications

Applicants must have a D.B.A. or a Ph.D. in Management from an AACSB-accredited institution. Applicants must have a demonstrated record of excellence teaching courses in strategic management, management principles, and management of organizations. In addition, applicants must meet AACSB academic qualification standards, which require a record of research and recent publication activity.

 

As I said, things are getting more difficult. Even a non tenure track "Lecturer" position requires an AACSB accredited DBA or PhD.

The issue seems that general management is quite competitive. If you check, the same position in Nursing only requires a M.S
https://www.jobswithucf.com/postings/35889

Accounting seems to require only "an accredited PhD" for the same Lecturer position.

"Lecturer candidates must have a Ph.D. from an accredited institution, an active and productive research agenda (as evidenced by peer-reviewed publications), and demonstrated excellence in teaching."

https://www.jobswithucf.com/postings/35287