Is this Another Scam ?

Just got an email from Jaro Institute, Republic of India for their online MBA from Ulyanovsk State University, Russia (Distance mba, correspondence mba courses, online mba programs, mba 1 year)

The Degree Certificate Specimen though state that it is awarded at Mumbai, Republic of India.

The website of Ulyanovsk State University, Russia confirms such collaboration, but is it legal to issue such degree in another country with its name on the Certificate ?

:Eyecrazy::Eyecrazy:

 

Legal according to the laws of India? Legal according to the laws of Russia? It's not like there's only one set of laws that the whole world follows so my immediate answer is "Who knows?" My next answer is "Proceed with extreme caution." Even if it's legal that doesn't mean it's worth anything. There are lots of degrees, even from the USA, that are legal but that doesn't mean they're any good.

 

Sure it's "legal" - University of Wales did the same thing "legally," in many countries -- before their overseas "validation" process came to a very bad end, because they were awarding degrees for iffy programs, like those of "Fazley College" (run by a pop-singer) in Malaysia.

As to Jaro Education's own "accreditation," it appears to be pretty well nonexistent. The best they can muster on that subject seems to be their USDLA Membership - which is not accreditation. USDLA is not a bad organization, but it does appear to admit all comers to membership. They have very good schools and outright shams on their roster. Yeah - we got threads on 'em. :smile: Also, UKAS "accreditation" is NOT the same as degree-granting authority.

I seriously doubt whether these diplomas would meet a NACES-member (or ACCRAO) sniff-test. Especially as:

(a) The prospectus reads that you don't need a Bachelor's to apply. 2-year PolyTech cert. and 2 years of work exp. is all you need.
(b) Some of their MBA streams are six-month courses. Others are nine.
(c) Jaro itself has no UGC standing to award Indian degrees that I know of. All they can do is sell foreign degrees.
(d) The prospectus clearly states that the sole jurisdiction for disputes to be heard is Mumbai - so beware.

I am by no means impressed by their use of known Bollywood actresses in their photo-ops. Nice ladies - and very attractive - but use of their images in school advertising is not appropriate, as I see it. Very cheesy, low-brow and down-market. For an MBA school, their marketing technique is questionable, to say the least.

"So you have a Russian diploma you earned via a distance school in India that seems to have no degree-granting authority of its own? Oh, dear me. I think perhaps this job interview is nearly over..."

Johann

BTW - I was made even more suspicious because I couldn't find the fees anywhere. I think maybe you have to send them an app and deposit before they tell you. I suggest don't walk -- run.

 

"And your MBA took a whole six months, you say? Hmmm...." :jester:

And you might want to update your e-mail anti-SPAM list while you're at it! :smile:

Johann

 

I note further that Jaro also claims to deal in degrees of United Business Institutes - Belgium. That school has received no standing to issue recognized Belgian degrees from any competent Belgian accrediting authorities. Just two of its degrees - I believe a Bachelor's and possibly an MBA were once "validated" by University of Wales. The "validation" scheme fell apart about three years ago. So, AFAIK, no UBI degree even has that limited legitimacy to stand on.

So -- at least one Jaro-affiliated school throughly debunked. And from Jaro's own disclaimer:

"It (Jaro) does not have any accreditations from the Distance Education Council, UGC, AICTE or any other Indian educational body."

Johann

 

Johann, a good analysis. Could you be kind enough to highlight an Online MBA from an American University (which is also brick and motor) and fees is in range of 6000$

 

This is a good place to start..

Online Degree Search Results: 362 Accredited Online MBA Degree Programs | GetEducated.com

 

Here's another place to start, a degreeinfo sticky thread on the best MBA degrees

http://www.degreeinfo.com/business-mba-degrees/27695-best-mba-degree.html

 

This is easy, Engadnan, because I know of NO US MBA degree that meets your specs - $6,000 and also a B&M school. Pursue the listings and I think you'll find I'm right - though I'd really like being wrong. There are some DETC schools, not really B&M - (after all, that "D" stands for "distance") where you might earn an American MBA for that kind of money. Aspen U and and Taft U are schools that come to mind. Good, but NA, not RA (if that matters to you) and not really B&M. The price should be about right, though.

The stuff that follows is probably ALL in the threads Kizmet cited - but I happen to have this much "right here" - so here's the condensed version:

As you move up to RA schools, the price increases. Least expensive distance RA MBA I know of is Amberton U (Texas) also a B&M school. An MBA would set you back around $8400 in tuition there, last I looked.

If you want programmatic accreditation along with your MBA, that comes in here - University of South Dakota has the least expensive AACSB-accredited distance MBA I know of. I believe it's about $10,000, as far as I know. http://www.usd.edu/continuing-and-distance-education/online-master-of-business-administration.cfm

Another reasonably low-tuition MBA with AACSB program accreditation is offered by Wayne State.

Master of Business Administration (MBA) - School of Business Administration - Wayne State University

A good school with lower-end (for RA) tuition and ACBSP business program accreditation is Chadron State - Chadron State College

You specifically said US schools so I won't comment on South African, European etc unless you want me to.

Johann

 

dl_mba rightly mentioned GetEducated.com. Specifically, their "Best Buy" lists, drawn from US RA schools and ordered entirely by base tuition price low to high, while not exhaustively complete, are a great place to start for these questions.

They note RA MBAs from Eastern New Mexico University ($5,978) and Wayne State College (in Nebraska – NOT Wayne State University in Michigan which is the famous one Johann mentions and completely separate – $7,500). University of Louisiana at Monroe has the lowest-cost listed AACSB MBA ($8,990).

GetEducated's lists are great but, again, not always complete. And ancillary costs such as for textbooks and fees, tuition increases while in the program, costs pertaining to additional prerequisite or levelling courses, etc., can quickly change real ultimate costs.

 

Thanks, Jonathan. I've mixed up the two Wayne State (College & University) schools at least twice before. Maybe this time, I'll learn. University of Louisiana at Monroe's AACSB-accredited program is a great deal. Looks like one gets in-state rates as a distance student...and the MBA program appears to be 30 credits - thereby possibly conducive to finishing quickly, if that's desired. It does require six background courses - which can all be "tested out" if one is prepared.

Here it is: http://www.ulm.edu/onlinedegrees/mba.html

I'd read of Eastern New Mexico U. recently on another forum and completely forgot it. Hey, it's RA, a B&M school and $22 inside the budget Engadnan set down! I'm guessing it's the only one that fits all those criteria. One more than I had...

It's here: http://business.enmu.edu/mba/online/

Great job - much appreciated. I'd better tidy up that pile on my desk! :smile: Or the other one in my head!

Johann

 

Looks like I got my wish -- and yes, it feels good! Thanks again, Jonathan! :smile:

Johann

 

I guess rather than being cynical on stuff like legalities etc, one may still study for MBA at Jaro and get additional educational qualification. It is not a life experience degree scam for God sake! UBI is in Belgium since last 20 years and they have international affiliations with some standard institutes. There are a lot of legal online MBAs available where a person needs to pay somewhere between $6000 to $12000. So, this is anyday better. The MBA at Ulyanosk and UBI can be done in one year and if someone has already done MBA from somewhere else, they can do a major in six months. Not bad at all and I am not representing either Jaro or UBI

Sandeep Kulshrestha
Master of Financial Management, Kurukshertra University
MBA, Leadership and Entrepreneurship, UBI

 

Dinch yo' Momma ever teach you about if it seems too good to be true, it probably is?

 

Why not taking Online MBA in US University with RA instead of low standard of Indian Universities

 

Sure it is! And its degrees are not recognized in their homeland - Belgium!

Waste of a year. Another "validation" scheme. U of Wales' "validation" of UBI degrees came to grief - so Ulyanovsk fills the void and makes some money. I'm not saying Ulyanovsk itself is a bad school, but it's just picking up a few rubles here based on its name.
A much less famous name, Universidad Azteca (Mexico) is doing the same thing, lately. Last I looked, it was "validating" for at least 17 "partners." Azteca is a legal, private university and its own degrees may have some standing - but the quality of some of the places it "validates" -- hmph! :sad:

I view most "validation" schemes with suspicion. If the school can't stand on its own (and neither Jaro nor UBI can) - avoid it.

Johann

 

Good question. Any accredited US degree would beat any Jaro-UBI-Ulyanovsk thingy, hands down. And judging from blogs, lists etc. I've read lately, India seems to be emerging as a seriously prolific source of degree mills and DL fraud!

However, India also has some very good DL schools - very low prices for the home market and some with pretty good prices for foreigners. This one is fully-authorized, run by a Roman Catholic religious order and has several MBA specializations for around $2,000 US complete. Yes, that's the international price, not the Indian price. Exams available world-wide.

Don Bosco University , India :: ADBU - Oncampus B.Tech, B.E. , MBA Programmes. UGC | AICTE | DEC Recognized University

Why would anybody waste a single rupee on a Jaro-thingy when they could go here -or any other good Indian school?

Johann

 

Hello Everyone,
I have question on Jaro Education MBA degree course & collaborative university degree.
I know one person who claims he is having MBA in International Marketing degree from Ubi - United Business Institutes, Brussels, Belgium (Jaro Education) (1 Year).
He got admission by submitting fake documents, even he didn't studied any subject literature & lastly submitted others' ready made project with fake mentor name.
(I have all proof documents for justifying my words & claims)
University didn't validate project work or mentors & issued degree certificate of MBA to him

so here two serious questions are highlighting...
1. What is the credibility of MBA degree issued by Ubi - United Business Institutes, Brussels, Belgium (Jaro Education) ???
2. What is the credibility & ability of person who claiming such useless MBA degree ???

 

To answer your questions,

1) United Business Institutes is a top ranked business school. It's obviously top ranked because they offer an MBA program. In case you didn't know, MBA means, Masters in Business Administration. For an institute to offer a Masters course, it has to be really good. I'd say they go side by side with Harvard Business School and Wharton even.

2) A paper does not represent a person. This person you know might actually have gotten into the institute, not via his coursework, but rather, his extremely talented abilities that the institute might have seen in him. And said person now has an MBA so he is very credible to take on leadership roles in a big cooperation such as Apple and Microsoft.

 

The UBI MBA is validated by Middlesex University London. E.g., “Taught in Brussels by UBI, this programme is validated by Middlesex University London and students will be awarded a Middlesex University London degree on successful completion.”

Business School in Brussels and Luxembourg MBA and BBA program | UBI
MBA - Master in business administration information | UBI Brussels

BA Honours Business Studies (validated)
MBA (validated)
https://www.mdx.ac.uk/about-us/academic-partnerships/our-current-partners/current-collaboration-partners