Atlantic Coast Seminary -- Trinity Seminary Connection

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  1. BLD

    BLD New Member

    I found the following connections. Feel free to add others.

    Dr. Ray Parker
    *Ph.D. Advisor Atlantic
    *Vice President for Institutional Development Trinity

    Introducing Dr. Ray L. Parker, Atlantic Coast Theological Seminary Ph.D. Advisor
    http://www.trinitysem.edu/facultypic/Vi ... _Vitae.pdf
    http://www.trinitysem.edu/Trinity_Catalog.pdf (p. 14)

    Dr. Thomas Rodgers
    *President at Atlantic
    *Chairman Board of Regents Trinity (and former President)

    Atlantic Coast Administration
    http://www.trinitysem.edu/Trinity_Catalog.pdf (p. 13)

    Dr. Frank Moore
    *Dean of Faculty Atantic
    *Special Faculty Trinity

    Atlantic Coast Administration
    http://www.trinitysem.edu/Catalog_111606_rev120506.pdf (p. 108)

    Dr. Robert Shigley

    *Director of Admissions Atlantic
    *Doctoral Enrollment Advisor Trinity
     
  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I think I am missing something - what is the point of this?
     
  3. BLD

    BLD New Member

    To try to determine if Atlantic and Trinity are connected in some way.
     
  4. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    GOT IT - thanks
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    One could probably find many connections that don't really have implications of any kind - such as this one:

    Dr. Roger D. Willmore, Provost of Atlantic, is a Stephen Olford Fellow, and was Minister at Large for the Stephen Olford Ministries, 1992-2006. Dr. Stephen Olford was Professor of Expository Preaching and Sermon Development at Trinity Newburgh, until his death in 2004.

    I'd guess that there's likely cooperation and an "old-boy" network here - nothing reprehensible about that. Obviously, it may include shared personnel and possibly some type of marketing synergy that's not readily apparent - to me, anyway. Direct financial ties? I doubt it. If I'm wrong, then such ties, if they do exist, are beyond my poor digging ability.

    Johann
     
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  6. BLD

    BLD New Member

    I called up Atlantic and asked Dr. Shigley. I was told that there were several faculty that teach for both institutions, as well as other schools. He said the faculty own their own material and offer it at various places. He also stated that he left Trinity when they were denied accreditation and went into retirement, until he was contacted by Atlantic.

    The long and short of it, according to Dr. Shigley, is that they have some common faculty, and share some common roots, but that is it. I tend to believe him.
     
  7. morganski

    morganski New Member

    Does anyone have any experience with Atlantic Coast Seminary as an instructor or a student?
     
  8. snowcap_7

    snowcap_7 New Member

    Current Atlantic Coast Bible College and Theological Seminary-Really! I had to jump into the discussion since I recently spent several hours researching online seminary degree programs before choosing Atlantic...there’s some real doozies out there! First, about the Atlantic/Trinity connection…in generally, depending on their contract, many educators work at more than one school, especially during economically challenging times-teacher pay is pretty poor these day. About Atlantic, after careful consideration and much prayer, I settled on Atlantic and am currently happily enrolled in the MA/PhD program. It perfectly suits my needs.
    PROS:
    1. My program is actually quite refreshing after spending much of my academic career in accredited, federal grant peddlin’ schools. (One gets the feeling that colleges encourage students to build up $100,000 debt before heading out into the world).
    2. Programs of Interest: I currently live and ministry in Nairobi Kenya from Jan-June so the online Christian counseling research based program is perfect. After I complete my thesis, I will have a much-needed, culturally appropriate, workbook to use in my field (mental health in cross-cultural missions).
    3. Faculty is easy to access and very helpful-(they answer the phones)! Also, I like that I don’t have to wade through scores of bias books because a professor, whose beliefs are nothing like mine, deem them indispensable and relevant for today’s society. And, sad but true, my positive essay response=better grade.
    4. Simple, easy to follow programs: Faculty discusses and helps each student chose their course of study. I find the “straight forward” course work a blessing. Atlantic’s programs uses a password accessed “Recourse Room. It has all the instructions for each course and the assignment-that's all! no posting from fifty different fellow students giving their opinion on something. Homework is turned using via plain-ole email-love it!
    5. Cost: I found the tuition at Atlantic to be fair for a non-accredited online school compared to accredited schools required to jump through hoops to qualify for Federal dollars. Cost is covered over the phone and questions answered.
    Having said this...
    CONS: If someone is entering a secular job market or needs state licensing, they will want to consider an accredited school. Other employers vary; some want their employees to have degrees from accredited schools, some don’t care. Additionally, a non-accredited degree in Christian Counseling, education and etc. will probably land you a job at a church, Christian school, or non-profit, but not at a state regulated and funded organization.
    FINAL WORD...
    As someone who has been there...if an accredited school is the choice, find a two-year college in your state and complete the general ed. requirements, then transfer to a four-year school to complete your major-it will cost half as much. Most importantly, do your homework. Check out schools reviews and make phone calls to the ones you’re considering. Ask every possible question you can think of and request a list of ALL student costs. There’s some wonderful non-accredited online schools and some really bad ones. After all that, you should be able to get a fell for the program that’s right for you.

    Keep the faith...snowcap

    “I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.”
    ― Mark Twain
     
  9. luv2learn

    luv2learn New Member

    Hi snocap!

    I am considering applying to Atlamtic Coast Seminary. Would you mind if I ask you some questions about your experience? Would prefer to pm privately. Let me know!

    Thanks!
     
  10. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    How do you plan to use the unaccredited PhD?
     
  11. MOmanUp

    MOmanUp New Member

    What is that to you? That's a personal decision he (and anyone else) has to make. The only question you should be asking is "Does this school's degree get me from point A to point B in my career path?"
     
  12. MOmanUp

    MOmanUp New Member

    Snowcap ~

    It's been almost a year since you posted your very informative thoughts on Atlantic Coast Seminary. Do you still feel this way about them? I am doing research on online seminaries, but don't want to throw my money down a rabbit hole.

    MOmanUp

    "In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted." ~Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
     
  13. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Good to have you on the forum, Mo.

    You asked, "What is that to you?" based on my query regarding the purpose/intent of an unaccredited PhD. In the overwhelming majority of cases, an unaccredited PhD is a time bomb waiting to explode.

    It you are indeed doing serious research on online seminaries, let me state this in your own words. If the purpose of obtaining a degree is utility, legitimacy, integrity and the like, please don't throw your money down a rabbit hole by attending an unaccredited seminary.
     
  14. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Isn't "How do you plan to use the unaccredited PhD?" the same as "Does this school's degree get me from point A to point B in my career path?"
     
  15. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Yes it is Randell, but what is that to you? :smile:
     
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  16. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Makes me think of the scene from Taxi Driver - Taxi Driver - You Talkin' me? - YouTube

    Sorry, I tried to reply to your post and clicked edit
     
  17. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    :smile: :smile:
     
  18. Ruth E Parker

    Ruth E Parker New Member

    Faculty at More than One Seminary or Bible College? Is that Normal?

    Greetings All,

    Let me put your minds at ease. I am the wife of Ray L. Parker, D.Min., Ed.D., and a Ph.D., from a regionally accredited University. My husband has three Doctorate degrees and working on his fourth in Biblical Counseling. He is also a very talented Pastor. He has spent much of his life in the pulpit, as well as, working for Union Gospel Press writing Sunday school material. He loves teaching others about Christ, the Cross, and the Bible.

    I feel very privileged each day that I get opportunity to take advantage of his wealth of knowledge. He writes his sermons and doesn’t use notes when he preaches. Last Sunday he literally had me on the edge of my seat. His congregation loves him and he has been with them for fifteen years. He started with this congregation the same year he moved to Newburgh, Indiana to work for Trinity.

    I have to concur with Dr. Shigley when he stated that many Bible Colleges and Theological Seminaries have common Faculty. Especially, in this day in age with online computer classes. A Faculty member many times will work out of his home and teach seminars on site at varies locations. This is not unusual and works very well for those who still Pastor churches, like my husband.

    Dr. Parker has also written three books taken from sermon series he has preached. The Titles are, “The Holy Spirit”, “Revelation”, and “Mormonism: Historical, Theological, and Evangelistic Survey” and is currently working on his book about “Heaven.” All of his books were written to be used for: a sermon series; a Bible study class; a daily devotional; or informational material for you to learn what the Bible teaches on each subject he has written about.

    So, do not worry yourself about taking courses at a seminary just because a faculty member works for more than one College or Seminary. It is the norm for today’s technologically delivered education. It is the instructor that makes the course great! I can promise you; when you take a course from Dr. Ray L. Parker, it is a course worth taking and you will get a lot out of it!

    May God bless you in your studies!

    In the precious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,
    Ruth E. Parker
     

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