Questions for law enforcement or ex law enforcement

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Abner, Jan 22, 2011.

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  1. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    The same courtesy that is extended to members of the General Public - Just because you get stopped doesn't mean that you get a ticket.

    Really? That is your response yet you suggest that I am the child?

    Ethics and Morals are deeply intertwined in policing, and I'm sure there is a good reason you're a former LEO.


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  2. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    No the state cut funding to our narco program.............................

    You keep saying it does not happen and two officers are telling you it does.

    BTW.....I'm still a Reserve Officer, I don't work at all anymore but I still am a Peace Officer.
     
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  3. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    I stated that the same courtesy that is extended to the general public also applies to Police Officers - of course that happens - the same discression that may be used to issue, for example, a lower fine for speeding or giving a written warning instead of a ticket. You made a blanket statement that it (LEOs writing tickets to LEOs) does not happen - I beg to differ.
     
  4. NorCal

    NorCal Active Member

    Just ask the California Highway Patrol, out of any branch is law enforcement, they are the most well none for citing their own IMO. Again, I can't armchair quarterback decisions out in the field because I wasn't there. However, I have stopped many LEO's for various violations (none of them major. Taillight out, illegal U-Turn, ect. . .) and I have never cited any of them.

    On that note, there was one traffic stop I had back in 2007 where I wanted to slap the hell out of one LEO after he did something incredibly stupid at the scene of a traffic stop. I ended up deferring the matter to my Sergeant, who got into the off-duty Captains face pretty good. The traffic violation wasn't really serious enough for me to issue a citation, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that thought had crossed my mind because the guy was a prick. The LEO was a complete moron, but again, one bad experience out of dozens of LEO related traffic stops isn't enough for me to want to eat my own. But again, that my opinion and I don't speak for every LEO out there. To each their own . . . .
     
  5. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    If word got out that an LEO screwed over another LEO they would be black listed unless the LEO tagged was out of freaking control.
     
  6. jaer57

    jaer57 New Member

    It's a shame that ALL Police Officers don't hold each other to at least the same standards as they do private citizens, in my opinion. One's occupation should have no bearing in the consequences of disobeying a traffic law, or any law for that matter...
     
  7. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I tell people what really happens out there in the real world and people act like its not happening....If someone is a cop and they say they write other cops their lying....They would be hung out to dry.
     
  8. jaer57

    jaer57 New Member

    And I appreciate you telling it like it is. I just find the fact that it happens sad and shameful. I find it just as shameful as when celebrities, politicians, and the wealthy get away with acts that the average person, the poor, minorities, and the unintelligent would get much harsher punishments for. I know not everyone in law enforcement or the judicial system is to blame for a system like this, but I sure do blame those in leadership positions when they allow it to happen...
     
  9. jaer57

    jaer57 New Member

    Sorry to hijack your thread Abner!

    I'll be quiet now.. :)
     
  10. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    I can't speak for CHIPS, I do not know any nor am I familiar with the organization other than the old show :)

    Did you go out of your way not to write them citations, or would you extend the same courtesy to a member of the public? Traffic stops for burnt out taillights, illegal u-turns and the like are what a LEO (particularly traffic enforcement) should do - and using discretion on whether or not to write a citation is just that.. discretion. Thankfully it is something LEOs have and use and benefits members of the public as well as LEOs.
     
  11. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    I agree entirely - as a matter of fact, LEOs should be held to a higher standard given their vocation and expectation from the public.
     
  12. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat


    Once again, you're making blanket statements that are false. As a former LEO you should know better than the paint all LEOs with one brush; there are bad seeds in every walk of life, some carry a badge. The statements you are making are offensive, at least those LEOS with a proper grasp on moral and ethical values.


    Good grief don't take his words as gospel... he's making blanket statements that are stereotyping all LEOs as being above the law - I take issue with that... but then perhaps my moral and ethical values are ... different than his.
     
  13. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    After this statement I'm done with this....


    As a former officer I have worked in the field.....I know what we do! I'm so sorry you refuse to understand what its really like.
     
  14. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    I don't refuse to understand what it is like, I know what it is like, and it is nothing like you make it out to be.
     
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  15. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    I noticed that your location used to be "Canada." Are you an LEO in Canada? If so, I wonder if differences may exist between countries in law enforcement culture.

    (I say this as an outsider with no law enforcement experience.)
     
  16. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    Indeed I am in Canada and am a LEO, also. I can only speak from my experiences, which I do believe show by my replies. What we have here is one LEO's as well as one former LEO's perspective and painting all LEOs with one brush which is ludicrous; I liken it to saying that all Professors are great teachers, when in reality not all Professors are great teachers - though they all possess a great wealth of information in their respective fields, some are knowledgeable but not able to relate the information to students - ergo, not all Professors are great teachers. To say that ALL LEO's can break the law without consequence and to charge another LEO would result in that LEO being "blacklisted" (the absolute first I have heard of that..perhaps a small number of narrow minded LEOs who are of the opinion that they can do as they please because they carry a badge, form that one) is, imho, a ridiculous statement. I also want to ensure that readers understand that my posts refer to TRAFFIC violations - and I can unequivocally state that I have never extended courtesy to a LEO that I did not extend to a member of the general public.
     
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  17. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    The edit timed me out, but I would like to make an amendment nonetheless: The "ALL" should be removed, it should simply be "To say that LEOs can break the law without consequence and to charge..."


    Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming..... what was your question again, Abner? :confused:
     
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  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Me too....sorry for jacking the thread!
     
  19. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

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  20. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    In most big cities with serious crime issues cops rarely ticket another officer, firefighter or cop from another jurisdiction unless they are involved in an accident, DUI or have a real attitude. The Philadelphia PD has about 6,500 officers and I can count on one hand how many times I heard that one ever received a ticket anywhere in Pennsylvania, let alone the city of Philadelphia. If you are working on the street the last thing you want to do is alienate fellow officers and not appear to be a team member. I can recall pulling over an off-duty detective about 20 years ago and remember apologizing for even stopping him - the thought of writing him a summons never even crossed my mind. In that same vein, the idea that a large city police officer would regularly write tickets to other cops is laughable. A cop who has that kind of attitude simply wouldn't last very long or make very many friends on the job. I'm not saying that it's right but it is a reality.
     
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