Does (DETC Doc + RA MS) > (RA MS) advantage holds ?

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  1. jaiho

    jaiho New Member

    Hi Respected Fellows,

    I intend to start the thread for professionals who have RA Masters and are introspecting to pursue DETC Doctorates.

    Will (DETC Doc + RA MS) give them slight edge over (RA MS) professionals? How (DETC Doctorates + RA MS) will be viewed in context of (RA MS) fraternity.

    Given the situation for a prospective job that only requires RA Masters. Will people with (DETC Doctorates + RA MS) have some advantage with respect to the subject?

    Esteemed Advice Solicited!
     
  2. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    1. Depends on the job.

    If a job doesn't need a doctorate, it doesn't need a doctorate. In some cases you may disqualify yourself by carrying one.

    2. Depends on the job + the hiring manager

    If the job doesn't need a doctorate, and the hiring manager is a type A manager that hires type A people you may get the job anyway. If the manager is a type B manager that hires C and D level people, no chance in heck you're getting the job.

    There are more B managers than A managers in the world.

    3. Depends on you.

    If you've got a RA masters, I fail to see the logic in getting a DETC doctorate. But that's just me.
     
  3. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Interesting... In what ways could you "disqualify yourself" by bringing more training and possibly more skills to the job?
     
  4. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    There was just a post a couple of days ago I read that a guy was dealing with a school or government job (I think) and when he completed his doctorate the job was/would be required to pay him more money based on the pay scale and they couldn't hire him to do that job. I think it was in one of the UNISA threads.
     
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I always questioned the value of a DETC DBA. To me is more of a vanity degree or continuing education at best. A DBA carries value if one is interested in faculty positions; other than that, it looks more like dressing than something of real value. There are many titles that can add value to a business professional such as a CFA, CPA, CFP, PMP, etc. I wonder why someone would want to spend money and effort on a credential just to call yourself "Dr" rather than a cheaper and more useful credential such as the ones mentioned before.

    Let me answer you this questions with another question, Would you pay more to your CPA just because he or she has a DBA? Would you pay more to your financial planner just because of a DBA? What is the value of a DBA to your job? Unless you are in research, I would say little value.
     
  6. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Any job where a hiring manager does not have a doctorate and a prospective employee has one, is a job that you may disqualify yourself for simply because of the intimidation or "hiring my replacement" factor.

    Unfortunately, having credentials or experience does not protect you against people hiring "safe" candidates under the guise of "overqualified."
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I doubt that someone with a DETC DBA would be seen as a threat in a company. I can't imagine a prospect employer saying "sorry but you have a correspondence doctorate so we consider you overqualified for this position that only requires an MBA".

    The correspondence DBA would be seen for most of the positions as a positive thing but not enough in my opinion to justify its cost and time. Most of the employers would be more interested in professional certifications that are recognized and required for the job such as PMP, CFA, etc and the person with these qualifications would be preferred over someone with a low tier correspondence doctorate. Not worth the time and effort in my opinion.
     
  8. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Once again, we must consider Wagner's Law of not being hired: "Generally, you don't want to work for companies that don't look at you carefully enough to appreciate the unique contribution you could make."

    The reason why Wagner's Law of not being hired works is that the relationship wouldn't work out anyway because there are mediating or moderating factors, such as the hiring manager doesn't want to hire somebody great, and you are ahead of the game by knowing up front these issues that could indicate dysfunction. For example, if a potential employer provides enough information for you to arrive at the conclusion, "They are stupid." That is very useful information! See, they did you a favor by letting you know they were stupid and that employment wasn't going to work out there anyway.
     
  9. joewill68

    joewill68 New Member

    I am a high school principal in the state of Georgia, and a DETC doctorate is just as valuable to me as an RA doctorate. The state of GA recognizes both accreditations, so I won't earn a penny more, if I had an RA doctorate.

    In fact, I was in a RA doctoral program with Liberty University, and I chose to transfer to California Coast University's NA doctoral program, because their doctoral program offered more flexibility with their courses, residency requirements, and payment plan.
     
  10. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Thanks. This is good to know. Would you mind pointing to the Georgia regulations that allow either an RA or NA doctorate? I appreciate it.
     
  11. AdjunctInstructor

    AdjunctInstructor New Member

    DETC DBA or other DETC doctorates do have value and purpose

    The original questions asked fail to recognize that earning the DBA or any other professional doctorate via DETC shows that the degree holder takes their education seriously, it does add to their knowledge base...study is study...nobody earns a DETC DBA degree which does not learn...the DETC DBA does not function in a vacuum. Does the DETC DBA have some limitations? Of course... just as some RA doctorates. The DETC doctorates have place, time, reason and purpose.
     
  12. AdjunctInstructor

    AdjunctInstructor New Member

    DETC DBA or other DETC doctorates do have value and purpose

    The original thread has seemingly failed to recognize that when an individual has earned the DBA, or any other professional doctorate via DETC, they have exhibited a highly motivated person who invests in their future, and has added to their knowledge base...study is study...nobody earns a DETC DBA degree which does not learn...the DETC DBA does not function in a vacuum. Does the DETC DBA have some limitations? Of course... just as some RA doctorates. The DETC doctorates have place, time, reason and purpose. Surely the human resource department of businesses, small colleges and community colleges recognize this. So for the price of a used car a person can add to their skill set, add to their resume/C.V.
     
  13. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    ...it plays to one's self-serving bias.
     
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  14. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Perhaps true, but that assumes that I'm working for the company as opposed to working for myself by associating with the company. I don't work for anyone else, even now as I take a paycheck from a firm.
     

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