ROI of an Aspen EdD

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by SurfDoctor, Jul 29, 2010.

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  1. warguns

    warguns Member

    New Mexico State University's 63-credit doctorate costs $13,494.60 for in-staters and $39,160 for out-of-staters.

    Students that enroll for only a limited number of courses each semester get in-state tuition.

    A doctorate from NMSU will take you lots further than one from "Aspen University"
     
  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Is NMSU's doctorate available completely on-line? What is "limited number" of classes. If it is not completely on-line, assuming that Mr. Oliver does not live in NM and wants to take more than a "limited" number of classes and therefore pays 40,000 for the degree, we are back where we started.

    I don't think anyone is disputing that a Regionally accredited degree has more utility, and one from a bricks and mortar RA school has more utility and better reputation than say an NCU or U of P degree. However, there are so many other factors. Faculty jobs at universities are hard to come by even with good PhD's. If Mr. O or anyone else is simply interested in earning an accredited doctorate, possibly getting an increase in salary where applicable, and calling themselves Dr./EdD, then there may not be enough justification for spending 40 or 50 or 60 thousand for a DL PhD versus $7000 for the Aspen EdD. Both accomplish the same goal for the person (accredited doctorate) and the guy has not wiped out his retirement account and deprive his family of the financial stability.

    If anyone wanted a shot at being a professor at a state university I would advise an RA PhD. I would also advise finding one from a bricks and mortar school where you may have a mix of distance and residency. In lieu of that, a doctorate from a well known South African university would probably have more utility than some of the for profits like UofP, etc in terms of reputation in academia. I think many who get DL PhD's and teach are either in positions that they were already in and the doctorate is for respect, etc or they are adjuncts in positions where the mq was a Masters.

    There are many more issues to factor in than only the generalized greater utility of an RA PhD.
     
  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    In short? Yup!


    Abner :)
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's designed so that going through at the normal pace means in state tuition, but that's where the good news ends. The bad news is that they only start a new cohort every other year, so the earliest one could start is Summer 2012. It also requires two weeks in Las Cruces, NM for three summers in a row. And unsurprisingly, they get far more applications than they can accommodate.

    -=Steve=-
     
  5. warguns

    warguns Member

    DETC credits for teachers


    The issue has been raised in the past but I'm not sure anyone has supplied any evidence one way or the other.

    Can DETC units or degrees be used by teachers for salary advancement?

    My local K-12 school district (in California) says yes. DETC accreditation is acceptable for "column advancement".

    In contrast, the local public community college states that:

    Courses taken for advancement on the salary schedule and/or for the purpose of attaining a Bachelor’s, Master’s or Doctor’s degree must be completed at a college or university recognized as accredited by the Western Association of Schools and Colleges.
     
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  6. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    That's exactly right. I spoke with an administrator for the CCTC about whether a DETC degree would be acceptable for column, pay scale advancement in California. She informed me that the decision rested solely with each individual school district. Therefore, you are likely to find much variation on the acceptance of a DETC degree; some districts will embrace it and others will not. She did not indicate any problem with an online degree, just the accrediting body it represents.
     
  7. Templar

    Templar New Member

    Don’t forget about the potential for educators to use the Aspen credential to launch a second career in the business world. There are three national education companies (educational software, grading and attendance software, and teleconferences/training) within 100 miles of where I live in rural Wisconsin. These firms are constantly advertising for former educators to serve as consultants, test writers, and sales managers. I am guessing a 25 or 30 year teaching career capped off with an Aspen EdD might open some doors with these folks.


    BTW-The Wisconsin DPI will recognize DETC credits for the purpose of recertification; my district will accept DETC for the purposes of salary advancement.
     
  8. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Yes educational and edutainment publishers would be an ideal target for job seekers with a DETC degree.
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Wow. This policy is fundamentally nonsensical.

    1) What do they mean by "recognized as accredited" when WASC is an accreditor, NOT a recognizer of accreditation, nor a recognizer of accreditors. Interestingly enough, the word "recognizer" doesn't cue a red squiggly underline from my spellchecker... therefore I will apply it with confidence to describe both the USDoE and CHEA.

    2) So wait, does that mean that UCONN, University of Florida, Boston University and Columbia University will not be recognized, since they are neither accredited by, nor "recognized" as accredited by WASC?
     
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  10. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    They have got to be attempting to express their desire for a regionally accredited degree. I can't imagine that they would only accept a degree recognized by one RA body and would reject any of the other RA degrees.
     
  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Sure, but can their policy be taken seriously when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about?
     
  12. GeneralSnus

    GeneralSnus Member

    How much does that matter since they hold the power?
     
  13. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    A clear example of people making rules when they have no idea what they are talking about.
     
  14. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    We all know that I have an active imagination. For some reason, reading your comment conjured the mental scene of playing a game of chess against this guy. When he calls out "checkmate" on some random move, would you care to disagree with him?
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Things change with time. I think we will find NA accredited Dr.'s in some academia.

    Also if you hold RA Bachelors and RA Masters degree from good name recognized university, you can teach in the university and get to be called Dr.
    This can help with publishing.

    Not all instructors or adjunct are Ph.D.'s.

    You prospects to become principal in school k12 are good, and also Dean or Academic Director of vocational schools, institutes and colleges.

    A local private college for health professionals and nurses, the director of academic affairs has BA from UCLA(1994) and MBA from Cal Coast University(2008).
     
  16. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member

    I think in Florida too. I start the Aspen Ed.D on 9/16.
     
  17. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The English language is running out of initialisms for your signature!
     
  18. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Sounds like "the ocean called and they're running out of shrimp". Free, one year subscription to Degree Info for the person that identifies where that quote is from. Two years if you can identify who said it.

    Fine print: Degree Info is already free so you won't actually get anything. Psyche!
     
  19. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    In CA, you need to look at the contract for the specific district you have in mind; suspect that most of them just state "accredited"...
     
  20. joewill68

    joewill68 New Member

    In GA they accept a DETC Masters or Doctorate for advancement purposes.
     

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