Master's under $3000 and other links

I can sypathize PJ

I plan to migrate to New Zealand. I have applied to have my years of private security training, designations and vocational training assessed against the Level 5 Security Supervision National Certificate, next I will apply for assessment to the Level 6 Security Management National Diploma when I am there.

The assessors and granters of the qualification are mandated by the New Zealand Qualifications Authority. The assessment is being conducted by the "Electro-Technology Industry Training Organization." This organization is neither an accredited University or a College yet it could lead to an actual NZ National Diploma on equal par with what a polytechnic or university would award.

You can end up with a credential going PJ's way in Australia and New Zealand.

 

LLM degree

It is not uncommon for a LLB degree-holder to pursue a LLM if they want to teach law, especially at the post-secondary level. Many law schools require profs to at least have a LLM.

As pointed out by Lawrie, some individuals pursue LLMs to complement their LLBs or to specialize in in a specific area of law. Some even go on to become writers and publish books in their field of expertise.

 

Re: I can sypathize PJ

New Zealand - bloody hell! They used to be more British than the British, but half of them live over here now and with our grass roots Irishness, they have become defiled.

...and their education system also - didn't get that stuff up from us - who else would refuse to recognise an Oxford MA as an MA?
Kiwis - that's who. A different race - their bloody bird can't even fly, so what hope do they have with degree recognition, and that is done by people!

 

Re: Re: Peter French

As I understand it Kane, Peter worked for MIGS, promoted their interests, and accepted a scholarship from them. Your characterization of his relationship with them requires fleshing out. In addition, he holds an unaccredited doctorate from a school many consider less than the square root of "wonderful", which he used to pass himself off as Dr P.J.French. Normally, this would be of no concern to me, the whole issue leaves me cold, but Peter distilled this debate to a question of ethical conduct. He did that, Kane, not me. Peter chose to admonish those who might dare consider, what he deems to be substandard degrees. Additionally, he implies that those who would have the temerity to earn an LLM without a JD or LLB, are or might be trying to commit a fraud upon . . . well, it's not quite clear who.

He has chosen to wag a finger at those who have earned or are considering earning certain legitimate degrees from widely respected institutions, citing his grave concern for quality, content, and the suspicion that some will pass themselves off as something they are not. Given this high moral tone, we have a right and a duty to scrutinize Peter's own conduct so that we may consider the veracity of his words by inspecting the nature of his example. You know, that thing we are supposed to lead by.

It is a matter of record that Peter is saying one thing but has done another. That is, there is a clear divergence between his espoused views in this thread and his actions. In respect of this particular issue, some may reasonably conclude that while he has sought to call others to the alter of high ethical standards, he himself has shown no inclination to enter the church door.

Really. Well, that is exactly what I have done, Kane. The issue, as framed by Peter was one of ethical standards, as they relate to the acquisition of and the representation of, academic degrees. That is the issue. Fine. Then how Peter acquired his degrees and how he has represented those degrees is absolutely pertinent and germane.

Could you explain how the foregoing is not substantive and relevant? Could you then detail how the debate could be furthered without reference to ethics, and the relevant ethical conduct of the debate participants? It's like having a nicotine stained finger waved in one's face by someone lecturing about the evils of smoking. How should we proceed, just ignore the elephant in the room?


Lawrie Miller
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Luxury. I left school one week before my 15th birthday. I started full time work exactly 10 days later.

Is that the unaccredited Summit University OF LOUISIANA , once operated by the late Ray Chasse? Could you confirm that this university shares or shared office space with your other alma mater, the unaccredited American Coastline University, whose address is or was a rental mailbox in Louisiana? When you expressed your concern for need of institutional quality and content, were these the sort of institutions you had in mind as epitomizing those virtues?

Sadly, it seems to me Peter, you have done that job yourself with excruciating efficiency. I take no pleasure in that. It is not that you have passed off your unaccredited doctorates as real, which you have, nor that you worked for MIGS and pursued admission there as a student , which you did. I could not care less. It is that you have sought to lecture others about the unethical nature and use of "bogus" graduate degrees, while apparently you yourself have supped in full measure from that very cup. In short, Peter, you have said one thing but done another, and you have done the other in spades. There is a word that so describes that conduct and another word that epitomizes the perpetrator. I shall leave you to consider what they might be.


Lawrie Miller

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Hmmmmm....

The first clause is not entirely true. Certain U.S. jurisdictions allow a graduate of a foreign law school to sit for the bar if he/she obtains an ABA-accredited LLM degree first. In such case, then, the LLM program is indeed "producing" a lawyer.

 

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Interesting rationale Lawrie. I now join the club of those who regard less favourably.

My concerns are shared by many and are clearly a matter of record, so I leave it there. Further disucssions on this topic or with you privately will avail nothing.

Incidentally Melvin Suhd was the President of Summit and my mentor, not Ray Chasse. But accuracy of reporting the true facts does not seem your forte