sorbon.fr - what do you guys think?

I'd be interested to hear your take on this place, comments and feedback appreciated.

At first glance they seem to have a lot of legal jargon, justifications, - I'm guessing any reputable Univ would not accept credits/post graduate entry off the back of a degree from here.

I have no interest in studying here, - however, thought it would be a good one to discuss.

 

Feel free to pile on.

http://www.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=18499&highlight=sorbon

 

It is an institution of ill-repute. It is illegal to use the degrees in various regions of the USA and in other countries of the world. A few years ago the apparent owner of this place was very aggressive in trying to sell the place as legitimate, but failed miserably in that regard.

 

OMG never knew all that ,Thnx for tellin all that

 

Personally, I think that this thing called Robert de Sorbon University is trying to confuse people by playing off the fact that their name sounds rather a bit similar to the name of the University of Paris at the Sorbonne. Naturally, the Sorbonne is much more ancient and much more prestigious than Sorbon. Such behavior seems a bit millish.

 

French Private Institution of Higher Education

I am C. de la Faide, in charge of communication, of the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon.

I want to inform you that De Sorbon is a French registered private institution of Higher Education that is allowed to grand degrees. De Sorbon is celebrating its 5th anniversary.

The French authorities stated this year in French: "On connaît bien cette école. Il reste que, juridiquement, Robert de Sorbon est dans son droit lorsqu’il délivre des certifications..."

The fact that for 5 years the we are and were authorized to grant degrees by the 5th most powerful country in the world, should tell you something about our real status.


Our students come from 90+ countries and our degrees are accepted by foreign governments and International educational institutions.

The VAE is a procedure that is officially recognized and regulated by the French Code de l'Education

C. de la Faide
www.sorbon.fr

 

I have noted that our new friend has failed to cite the "French authorities" that allegedly made that statement. Also, it would be nice to see this in writing, on a French government website, not on the sorbon site. Finally, I would suggest that anyone who is confused on this issue should read through the thread that I linked to in my earlier post (12-29-08).

 

In France, anyone can open a school as long as they don't claim to be a French government University. There are tons of schools that operate like this but their credits wouldn't transfer to any accredited school.

Is it legal? they pay their taxes and operate as a school but their diplomas couldn't be use in places where a real degree is required such as teaching at Universities, Engineering licenses and so on. If you want a expensive vanity degree, I would think that this could be a good option as they are bit better than the ones sold on ebay only because the school actually exist and could validate the degree but I doubt it could be used to apply for government jobs, licenses, etc.

In Europe, most recognized schools are operated by the Government. The state tolerates private schools as they are a good source of revenue to the country. In many places in Europe, you don't need a license to operate a private school like in Denmark. Their degrees wouldn't be recognized by local authorities or by employers but they are legal in the sense that there is no law that forbids them to grant degrees

 

Sources

Please see :http://www.sorbon.fr/index1.html to see that it is not "alleged" but the reality confirmed by two "hauts Fonctionnaires"

 

How many times do we have to go through this BS?

 

yeah, right. it's your own website. you can say anything you like on your own site. it doesn't make it real.

 

Here's my favorite from the Sorbon website:

Please read what Henry from the USA wrote to us."I am very pleased to inform you that I have assumed a teaching appointment at a US accredited Institution of Higher Education. I earned my Master from De Sorbon last year. The college has recognized my Master. The diploma is displayed in my office, and I'm very proud of it. I share and dedicate this success to all of you. Thank you once again for the great opportunity and support that you have given me to earn my Master"

No last name - no institution and the IMHO - the telltale sign of a "suspect institution"..."the diploma is displayed in my office, and I'm very proud of it."

For the record - I have an AACSB MBA - and at my school, the only people who have degrees on the wall are our doctorates. (For the record, I teach at Lac Courte Oreilles Ojibwa Community College - www.lco.edu).

Shawn

 

Non sense, even if I were able to fool the system with a bogus degree from Sorbon, why would I want to attract attention to myself by displaying it on the wall just to open the door for someone to find out that was bogus?
The logical thing to do would be to hide the degree and never reveal that was from Sorbon.

 

For those interested in private education in France check the link below:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enseignement_sup%C3%A9rieur_priv%C3%A9_en_France


Please check this “la notion d'accréditation n'existe pas »

There is no accreditation mechanism in France. The actual legislation does not require private schools to be accredited so any school like Robert de Sorbon can grant “Certificats d'Enseignement Supérieur Privé”.

It looks to me like any school can grant this type of certificates but not necessarily recognized by public institutions in France.

To be fair, Robert de Sorbon is not doing anything ilegal. They are just profiting from the weak French legislation.

 

May the people running this operation meet the same fate as the Randocks.

 

Interisting.

I believe that Switzerland also has weak laws.

I noted that the list of Unaccredited Institutions published by the State of Oregon lists several Swiss institutions.

 

Not a weak legislation for me

It is not for me a "weak legislation". The French educational Laws, to the contrary, establishes strict legislations for Private Institutions. (A full title on the code of education is devoted to private Universities). France simply like in the US allows private universities to grant degrees under certain conditions.

www.sorbon.fr

 

France allows private schools to grant "“Certificats d'Enseignement Supérieur Privé” that are like private school certificates while Universities grant "diplômes nationaux" that are degrees recognized all over Europe. The public schools don't have to recognize private certificates but there are some recognized schools that are private like HEC.

The French system is not like the US as there is no national accreditation system that allows credit transfer among private institutions like Regional accreditation. Each public institution recognizes private credits at its own discretion.

I would be interested to see how many public Universities in France have accepted "Robert de Sorbon" certificates for advanced study. If any, that would be proof of having a school with some credibility in France.

And yes, it is a weak system as there is no national accreditation system for private schools.

 

The French System of Higher education

The French Administration controls the French private universities: Here are the Articles of the Code of Education:

-Article L151-6
-Titre III Livre VII : Les établissements d'enseignement supérieur privés (18 articles)

I am sorry to give such legal and boring details but, as some people doubt of my findings, I must be very precise as I did in my previous postings.

I can assure you that the testimonies, mentioned on our pages, are real while respecting the privacies laws of my country. We recently added in the French pages :" 12 décembre 2008 d'un de nos étudiants Nord-Américains: "j'ai été accepté dans une université, ils acceptent la VAE de votre école "

Those are some of the reasons why the Ecole supérieure Robert de Sorbon has been successful for 5 years: We are using a legal new innovative way to recognize Work Experience with a degree through a qualified jury.


www.sorbon.fr

 

You don't have to give the name of the student but the name of the french institution that accepted the degree for further study. All we have to do is contact them and ask them if a degree from your place would be valid for admission, this would give us proof that your school is real.


Being in business for 5 years doesn't mean much, Trinity College & University from Spain has been in business a lot longer as still a bogus place. They were at some point also a private school in Spain till some people starting complaining so they got their license revoked. Still operating and making money with the so innovative "degrees for experience" concept.