A doctoral degree truly pays off

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  1. TCord1964

    TCord1964 New Member

    Sorry, but I'm not buying this at all. I almost fell for it until you threw in "those around me also enjoy and recognize my accomplishment". That was a bit much. Nice try, though.
     
  2. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    What I meant by the word "enjoy" is that they use it as a punch line I assume now that I have been assigned my new position and role within the company. In either case, I enjoy it but then again, they are probably trying to use flattery with me. Kind of a wasted effort however because our company has already announced payroll increases will be sustained through at least 2nd qtr. of 09 and will probably limit many promotional opportunities in 09 as well based on revenue forecasts being projected. Bummer.
     
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  3. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    For more fun and laughs, you could explain to your coworkers and clients that it is now criminal for you to use the "Doctor" title across the state line, in Florida. Got to be some great opportunities for punch lines there.

    Or you could just wait, and see if anyone realizes it on their own. If they do, it will be even funnier that way.
     
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  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Thanks....I just almost had Diet Mountain Dew come out my nose. :D
     
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yeah right!, more like they will have something to laugh about during lunch time. This is the kind of things that can make you the laughing stock of your office. I'm pretty sure they "enjoy and recognize his accomplishment" when they get their pay checks with lower salaries than a "Dr" from the prestigious BS University.
     
  6. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    About Mr. Townsend:

    January 2000 – January 2002
    Capella University
    Minneapolis, MN
    Ph.D. program — Organizational psychology

    * Classes in organizational behavior and psychology
    * Classes completed all online
    * Completed 95 of 120 hours of the program as of the end of 2001 before transfer to Breyer above.
    * Current GPA — 3.70+

    Since 5 quarter credits are awarded for the completion of the comp exams and 20 quarter credits are awarded for the completion of the dissertation - my guess is that he was washed out in the comp exams.

    Shawn
     
  7. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!


    MR? Doesn't he rate DR? lol

    He had multiple jobs as the same time attending school for Ph.D, and received his Ph.D in 2 years and 4 months? How did he manage to do that? I have a full-time job and taking 3 classes; and I feel I have no time for anything. Even though my Master doesn't require heavy research or anything likes that.
     
  8. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    Which one?

    You also understand that your degree is worthless for state employment in Alabama?
     
  9. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    Alabama does have an unaccredited free standing Law school that qualifies the graduate to sit for the Alabama bar. It's a pretty good deal tuition wise.

    http://www.bsol.com/

    I have to wonder now that Alabama has tightened the education requirements for state employment if this degree would impact a graduate should they pass the bar and want to work for the state.
     
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Interesting....the two non-ABA law schools in Massachusetts both have regional accreditation. With BSOL being founded in 1915, I wonder what the rationale is for seeking no accreditation whatsoever?

    Many of their faculty have impressive credentials, but they also seem to have a lot of "home grown" faculty;

    http://www.bsol.com/content.asp?id=318667
     
  11. ssteachn

    ssteachn member

    Dr. Blake from Breyer State. [​IMG]
     
  12. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    What I do not understand is why you flip-floped. Here is you comment from a while back - We'll, I decided to stretch my investment for what I want to be a final degree and personal accomplishment to a terminal degree program. I chose to begin at NCU and I can see that the curriculum is going to be a challenge, but rewarding.

    Thanks to all of you who contributed to my knowledge of accreditation and diploma mills etc. This aided me in dropping Breyer State and going into a degree program I can be proud of earning and revealing to others.


    What changed? Are you now "proud" of a degree you had concerns with two years ago? If you decided to drop BSU because of your understanding of accreditation and diploma mills, I would have to assume you know BSU is a mill or has a lack of or worthless accreditation. What gives...or did it just get too hard at NCU?
     
  13. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

  14. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    Thank you for questioning my decisions and in performing some research of my prior posts. Before I respond however, I must emphasis to all who post here to use my examples of poor spelling and or proof reading if I in deed have that many grammatical errors as shown above and to utilize a spell check when possible as I am rather discontented on my failing to use such a tool. I am indeed shameful of such.

    With regards to my decision, yes, I did enroll in NCU but only chose to withdraw due to my limited employer contribution and the overall cost of the program. Would it be a better program than what I chose to continue to pursue...Yes.

    I did choose to withdraw from BSU and when approached by my HR as to why I did, they recommended I continue and complete my degree and to take advantage of our company's tuition assistance which again was up to $3K annually and they too were aware of the programs low cost and only having a State license in Alabama at the time which is where our company is located.

    Ultimately, the end results are whether one gains what one is seeking from continued education and how it may benefit. In my case, it was approved that I continue the program, my employer knew if its lack of accreditation and it has allowed for me to advance my career at my company.
     
  15. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Of course, Breyer State doesn't have a state license from Alabama any more. Out of curiosity, how did your company react when they learned that Breyer State had lost its license from the Dept. of Post-Secondary Education? In fact, not only did Breyer State lose its license and leave the state -- the DPSE issued a widely publicized press release that explicitly named Breyer State as "an apparent diploma mill".

    This would seem to be a situation with the potential for some embarrassment, for both the employee and the company, so I'm genuinely curious to learn how it was handled.

    Do you think your company would still reimburse its employees for Breyer State degree programs, or has their policy changed ? After all, Breyer State is still operating in California, which currently does not license schools.
     
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  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I understand your logic, you basically say that you got your degree for free so a free BS was better than a out of your pocket degree from NCU. You were upfront with HR and they approved so there is nothing unethical with your option in my opinion. But I still don't buy that the promotion was due to the degree but more of because your performance (assuming that there was a promotion).
     
  17. ssteachn

    ssteachn member

    Who knows really, there are lots of people who get diploma milled degrees that get a promotion because their HR is too lazy to check it out. When the GAO did their report some years ago they found hundreds in government service.
     
  18. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I understand and respect a well thought out decision. I earned a BS and MBA from CCU to later earn RA degrees (drove my wife crazy). But the comment about continuing education and benefits, couldn't you just read a couple of books and list it as "ongoing knowledge" as opposed to finishing a PhD program that could backfire. Honestly, if you were an HR person would you feel comfortable approving tuition assistance for a person getting a BS from BSU...better yet as the VP of Finance would you hire a person with a BS or MS/MBA in Finance to make business decisions for your company or for your money?
     
  19. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

  20. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    My issue with the BSU "doctorate" is that while the "doctors" claim they have done all of this quality work - where is the evidence?

    Why the secrecy on the dissertation - why so reluctant to list who was on the committee, what the title, how can I obtain the dissertation, etc. Contrast that to the latest doctors on the board, Dr. Lady and Dr. Kavanagh, who have provided a great deal of information on their work, posted abstracts, etc. I don't see that coming from the BSUs or WIDUs of the world.

    Shawn
     
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