Webster or Swiss Management Center

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by xygirl, Mar 6, 2007.

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  1. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Hi,

    In regard of a Master in HRManagement, can anybody recommend either Webster or Swiss Management Center?

    They both offer DE and both are about the same price range.
    They both show on their website a list of accreditations and at Webster I find : AACSB and in the Swiss I find: ACBSP (amongst others)
    Nevertheless when looking at the list of AACSB accreditions, I don't find either university.
    In regard to future job prospects, I don't know which to focus on.

    Can anybody comment on these 2 choices?
    Also, if the choice between attending DE or locally, what would be the best option?

    If there's anybody willing to offer more information about HRM field, please let me know.

    Thank you very much.
     
  2. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    i forgot to mention the intention to work in European businesses.
    Thanks
     
  3. macattack

    macattack New Member

    Swiss Management Center is NOT ACBSP accredited, but apparently has recently became a candidate. (Also it is NOT accredited by the swiss last I looked - a couple months ago).
     
  4. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Yes, I had my doubts about the Swiss MC.

    But, I'm seriously considering Webster and talked with them and they say they are RA accredited in the States (NorthWestern RA, to be exact).

    I wonder though if someone could give more feedback about Webster.

    Also, is RA Statesside accreditation enough for European businesses? I mean I hope this degree will be recognized well here in Europe. It's an american university, but with some branches here in Europe.

    Thanks
    R
     
  5. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Hi,

    I'm surprised. Doesn't anybody know anything about Webster UNIVERSITY?:(
    They have a Master in Management and Leadership, which they tell me is a bit broader(to explain simply) than HRM.

    Any comment on the programs or on Webster is more than welcome. Thank you:)

    XYgirl
     
  6. raristud2

    raristud2 New Member

  7. CoachTurner

    CoachTurner Member

    I attend Webster both at a local campus and online. I'm working on the MBA and a concurrent MA in HRD.

    I think that the reference Webster has online to AACSB is "a member of" and not "accredited by".

    There are large numbers of high level (and low level for that matter) military personnel with degrees from Webster including the first female shuttle commander, Col. Eileen Collins. The university is well received in government and in the St Louis area. They rank #23 by USNWR in their category.

    My experience so far has been that the faculty are knowledgeable, courses are well designed, my peers run the entire range of graduate students from clueless to brilliant. The faculty runs the entire range from 'easy' to 'way too hard'.

    Course assignments vary from "why am I wasting my time on this basic material" to "damn! what is he thinking? I can't do this in a couple weeks" -- my grades have been good but not overly exceptional; which implies to me that it's not "too easy" but also isn't "too hard".

    The cost is reasonable - low by some standards. Online students are permitted to take courses in-the-seat and there are campuses in many cities worldwide. There's a bit of savings to be had at many in-the-seat campuses.

    Overall, I like it just fine. There's enough challenge to keep me interested and not so much challenge that I'm overly stressed. It's very possible to complete 30 hours per year, I like that too.
     
  8. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Thank you for the information and thank you Coach Turner for your feedback.

    I would like to add 2 questions:
    Would you know the difference (in your own words) between MA in Mng and Leadership and MA in HRM?They have told me the first is broader and could give me more than just HRM-possibilities. what is you thought?

    Second, even though it's an american degree, I would go to Geneva (Switzerland) and would like to know if their degree (being american) will be recognized and valued in Europe.I would imagine so , as more and more degrees are accepted both overseas adn in the States. But, any other comments, I would gladly appreciate.


    Thank you:)

    xygirl
     
  9. CoachTurner

    CoachTurner Member

    1) They're both academic degrees so the main difference is in the material that they cover. The HRM curriculum is, of course, geared toward a human resources perspective while the leadership and management courses are more generalist. If you want to work in the field of Human Resources then the HRM is the way to go. If you want to work in management then I'd consider the MBA over an MA in Management.

    The MA in HRM and the MA in Leadership and Management share a considerable curriculum. You may want to consider doing both as either concurrent or sequential.

    Whether you can accomplish your occupational goals with which degree depends entirely upon what you want to do with the degree. I would suspect that a degree heavily based in American employment law and practices (HRM) will not be of as much use in Europe as a degree based on general management and leadership theory.

    2) I've never worked in Europe as a civilian so I can't speak to acceptance of the Webster degree anywhere other than in the USA. I'd suspect that it has general acceptability in Switzerland since Webster University has a campus in Geneva.

    :)
     
  10. CoachTurner

    CoachTurner Member

    1) They're both academic degrees so the main difference is in the material that they cover. The HRM curriculum is, of course, geared toward a human resources perspective while the leadership and management courses are more generalist. If you want to work in the field of Human Resources then the HRM is the way to go. If you want to work in management then I'd consider the MBA over an MA in Management.

    The MA in HRM and the MA in Leadership and Management share a considerable curriculum. You may want to consider doing both as either concurrent or sequential.

    Whether you can accomplish your occupational goals with which degree depends entirely upon what you want to do with the degree. I would suspect that a degree heavily based in American employment law and practices (HRM) will not be of as much use in Europe as a degree based on general management and leadership theory.

    2) I've never worked in Europe as a civilian so I can't speak to acceptance of the Webster degree anywhere other than in the USA. I'd suspect that it has general acceptability in Switzerland since Webster University has a campus in Geneva.

    :)
     
  11. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Coach Turner,

    Thank you so much for that valuable note.
    I do wish to work with people as that is my main desire and I really don't care much about an MBA, because I don't want to deal with accountings, financing etc.....:(
    Yet, wanting to work in European organizations, I certainly don't wish to know all about american laws if that what HRM entails.

    Don't you think Management and Leadership is more flexible in that aspect of knowing a bit of everything overal and in general and be able to focus on people in the organisation (whereever)?

    Thank you again:)
    xygirl
     
  12. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Webster is top notch, and they are correct - a management degree will have more general appeal than a specific HRM degree. But you're also right - they will tend to focus on U.S. law rather than international laws in the HRM field.

    If you haven't already done so, check out the HRM master's at the University of Leicester, England - more European in orientation, and a highly regarded program (our own John Bear used to be affiliated with them).
     
  13. J. Ayers

    J. Ayers New Member

    Good afternoon!

    If you are interested in Dr. Levicoff's suggestion regarding the programs at Leicester, then more information can be seen at http://www.clms.le.ac.uk/courses/masters/ on the web. They have a broad range of master's degree programs including the MSc in Human Resource Development, the MSc in Human Resource Management and Development, the MSc in HRD and Performance Management, MSc in Industrial Relations and Human Resources, and the MSc in International HR and Globalisation. This last degree may serve your needs well since you identified working in Europe as a possibility.

    On a related note, the Centre for Labour Market Studies at the University of Leicester has programs that follow on from the master's degree, including the PhD and the Doctorate in Social Science.

    Good luck in your search!
     
  14. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Hi

    Thanks and I did go and look at Leicester. They seem to have nice programs.
    It seems they require some type of workexperience in the field though....? I'll email them. :cool:


    Yet, I was really focused on Webster and kind of was thinking of maybe traveling there and attend the university.

    Here's why and please tell me your opinion:

    1. I've heard that to be able to learn Management it is recommended to have face-to-face classes rather than online.
    What do you think?:cool:

    2. I kind of hoped that the Man and Leadership MA at Webster would be less 'American -law-oriented' compared to the HRM. I mean, I thought it would be more about general managing and not so much about laws.
    IF they are located in Europe, don't they at least inform on European laws as well? I did send them an email to ask. But if some of you know, please let me know.

    Thanks so much, you always open my eyes to more information request!:rolleyes:

    xygirl
     
  15. mba_expo

    mba_expo New Member

    Advanced HR Management

    Hi xygirl,

    Would you consider other Masters degrees?
    Henley has a brand new MSc in Advanced HR Management. http://www.henleymc.ac.uk/mschr1/

    Henley is AMBA and AACSB accredited (verified on AACSB site).

    Best wishes from Basel,

    Russell
     
  16. mba_expo

    mba_expo New Member

  17. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Henley looks really interesting (that particular program) but I don't think I'll make it throught the requirements.
    Having my own business did not give me managerial HR experience.

    I know in Webster, I do qualify and no need for GRE or GMAT...!!!!

    Thank you
     
  18. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    No GMAT requirement -meaning?

    Hi,

    As I 'm really comparing loads of universities I keep returning to Webster. I called them and they assured a lot of students are European and thus their program is not exclusively American -oriented.

    Coach Turner, you seem to link Webster to Military in most of your comments (I searched in the history of your comments on Webster). I wonder though what about civilians? I mean, it 's good recognized university for all of us, or not?
    What does that 23-ranking means?
    Also, the fact they don't require GMAT for a Master, should I worry or not? Why do most universities require this and Webster not?

    Also, they are private, but that doesn't mean anything negative, does it?

    I'm just really trying to make sure what I'm getting into and any feedback is really appreciated. The more I contact THEM, the more I like them, but of course they can only say 'good stuff' about themselves!

    Any other comments on Webster?
    Thanks
    xygirl
     
  19. CoachTurner

    CoachTurner Member

    good luck on your decision process... :)
     
  20. xygirl

    xygirl New Member

    Thanks Coach Turner,
    It's really comforting to read all of your comments.
    Thank you , I appreciate it!!!!
    I hope more people can tell me good things, but I'm pretty convinced. Now, I just need to finish the last steps in my bachelor and get to Webster.
    Thanks
     

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