UoP dumped by Intel

Brucey,

As I've already said numerous times....I cash the check because I provide value withing the limitations of the UoP systems - and with a new baby the online delivery format allows me to avoid Chicago traffic.

Re: the e-mail - I seem to recall getting something (not sure if it was 12/6 - every now and again something comes down re: stock prices, rebuilding, etc.) but I hit the delete file on quite a few messages - and one-over the world announcements are included. Same with NSU, etc. FYI, I went into my "deleted items" folder - and it only went back to 12/7. We can certainly play this game the next time something comes out.

How about this - as a list administrator I shouldn't have to tell you that it's inappropriate to be having this exchange - it DOES substantiate that you are firmly following your wallet - so I really don't see the point of this exchange.

I am sorry that you appear to gain so much personal validation from being an adunct instructor at a Tier IV school.

 

Since I don't have that record - send me your e-mail address and I'll cut-and-past into a word doc. part of the UoP instructors web ste that only a faculty member would have access to.

Now Brucey, why on earth would you think that being a PT faculty at UoP would make you an education professional?

 

Once again, your professionalism, or I should say non-professionalism, is crystal clear with that type of address.

So, if we're to accept this explanation, you're basically saying you're willing to prostitute yourself for the convenience of not dealing with traffic.

You call yourself a professional?

Jim, let's not shit each other. I set a trap for you, and you took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. If you were actually a UoP faculty member, you'd know that we (UoP faculty) can look-up other faculty members. It shouldn't surprise you that you don't appear in the UoP faculty database.

Now is the time when you claim to have changed your name recently.

If I ever did place any prestige value on being a UoP adjunct (which I never have), at the VERY least, I'd be honest with my own background, which you clearly haven't been.

Question - Who is more pathetic;

1) Someone who is an adjunct at a Tier IV school

or

2) Someone who claims to be an adjunct at a Tier IV school, but really isn't?

 

Bruce,

In order to know what professionalis is - you HAVE to BE a professional

I have clearly offered to send you cut and paste info that ONLY a faculty member would have access to - so what you're REALLY saying is that you've already made up your mind. A list moderator who does not have ANY idea about proper conduct - like a government official who says "just call me Bubba."

As for my name - OF COURSE mine is a "nome de plume" - too many people like you running around the internet. As I remember, Rich Douglas had any number of people contacting that unaccredted school in Virginia he taught at - people like you and Dave W. I didn no like Rich, but attacking his ability to earn a living, to support his family was pretty low - but not for you evidently.

I value my privacy - and I have little confidence in you in any way, shape or form. For starters, you have prostituted yourself with UoP, making claims of quality you aren't qualified to make - for what? $800-$1300 per course - tops.

 

Bruce, I think you I and Chip need to have a little talk about you, being a moderator and the peter principle. I stated that I was really concerned re: Dave W. and his stalking attempts. I am somewhat surprised that a list moderator (with a CJ degree to boot) would admit to having done the same thing and is prepared to continue doing it.

Couple of things:

1. Stalking people you happen to disagree with really isn't good for this forum.

2. In the US - where I reside and received your communications, there are 3 statutory crimes under United States Federal Law relating to harassment. They are:

a) 18 USC § 875. Crimes-Extortion and Threats-Interstate Communications;
b) 18 USC § 2261A. Crimes-Domestic Violence and Stalking-Interstate Stalking; and
c) 47 USC § 223. Obscene or Harassing Telephone Calls in the District of Columbia or in Interstate or Foreign Communications.

If I hear ANTHING at UoP regarding my relationship with them that is negative (so far they love me) I am going to assume that you had a role in it - as a forum moderator.

If you did not know your actions appear to have been illegal - you should have known.

This is formal notification that I wish these actions and behavior to stop IAW with the applicable laws government communication and harrassment .

 

Couple of things:

1. Stalking people you happen to disagree with really isn't good for this forum.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black - give me freaking break!

This is formal notification that I wish these actions and behavior to stop IAW with the applicable laws government communication and harrassment .

Jim - remember this the next time you pull the same stunt on other people. The guy has destroyed and minimized you. Please, please, please end our misery and your futher embarrassement - put it to rest. If your paranoia causes you to believe you are being stalked try this - turn your computer off.

 

You can safely ignore the histrionics of that shill/troll.

There is no stalking by anyone. One can simply watch the various NoCentral shills/trolls, such as jimnagrom, byron, jumpdog82, carlosb, me again, etc., logging in and out of the main forum.

All you have to do is look at the list of users browsing the forum. One logs out and another will log in. They post on the same threads and support one another. Apparently, the shill/troll didn't know one could turn this feature off at the user control panel, and so now some of their carefully constructed identities have been compromised.

It seems that whenever the NoCentral shill/troll gets painted into a corner they either summon one of their established fake identities or create a new identity. Evidently, my point about the potential for NoCentral management getting reorganized due to DL market realities and their overpriced MBA program sent someone into orbit down in Arizona. Sometimes the identities sent to attack those who criticize are hostile like byron, somewhat informed like jimnagrom or perhaps fluffy like me again. At other times, it might be a fake new NoCentral student. However, I'd like to believe that there are real NoCentral students logging in here and telling about their experiences and that this shill/trill was not sent here by NoCentral.

If you would like to ignore the shill/troll, just click on the "profile" button at one of their posts, scroll to the bottom of the page, and add them to your ignore list.

Dave

 

Unfortunately, I don't think Jim's (et al) will have the good sense to be embarrased at being caught in his deception. Who ever this person is, I hope they consider taking a break from this forum to gain some perspective.

 

He just looked up the name that you've been using on the DL boards in University of Phoenix's faculty listing and didn't find it. And you've just admitted that the name is phony.

You've responded to everyone who disagreed with you in this thread, not by filling out and substantiating your critical substantive assertions, but by emphasizing your own superior status as an authority. You've essentially been telling people, 'Shut up, just believe whatever I tell you, I'm a professional!!' So aren't you the one who made your own personal authority into an issue? Looking you up in the University of Phoenix's faculty directory seems like a natural enough thing to do. Considering that your name didn't even appear in that listing, it's hard to imagine how you think that you have suffered any damages.

 

WOW! ANOTHER THREAD GONE AWRY!

 

Are psychotropic meds in order?

Wow! Conspiracy central!!!

It's all a conspiracy!!! The conspiracy must be stopped!!!

Click here to stop the Masonic conspiracy!!! The Masons have now teamed up with NCU and they must be stopped at all cost!!!

Sheesh

Mr. Dave Wagner, please get some help.

 

You obviously don't have the slightest clue as to how the law defines stalking.

YAWN!!!

Please.....I implore you. I beg you. Please....contact the US Attorney for the jurisdiction where you reside, and ask him/her to enforce those laws. I dare you. I double-dog dare you. I triple-dog dare you.

You will be literally laughed out of the office, probably under armed escort. A US Attorney does not prosecute anything, unless there is serious prison time, as well as serious TV face time involved. I know this from personal experience.

You can assume all you want, Jim, but we know what happens when you assume things, correct? In any event, I don't believe you actually do teach for UoP, so it's really a moot point anyway.

Do you have any idea how many times I've been threatened with a lawsuit? It's an almost daily thing. I'm not impressed.

Duly noted.

Here's a suggestion.....you cease your voluntary participation in this private website, and everything you wish will come true.

 

That's "BRUCE D TAIT" correct?

 

Amen Ted.

Shawn

 

I see that disagreeing with Bruce is still a cause for war. Calling fourth tier colleges anything more than usable is absurd. UOP is suitable where modest standards and results are acceptable, NOT, where any real quality is expected. If a bottom feeder like UOP is usable, fine, it should be easier and quicker though more expensive than many better colleges.

I've never understood how things like UOP and the other fourth tier DL colleges got so well liked here. You know there are such schools as Penn. State offering degrees by DL and they are well recognized and accepted by the wider world. (Outside DI) Why not call the good schools good and the bottom end variety just that, bottom end, not part of the (sic) gold standard. You know that's why they have tiers. So that people can tell the difference between them. But it appears that here (DI) UOP and Ohio State are the same. Well, when one visits the outside world (outside the discussion forums) they do know the difference between the the UOP's and the good colleges. Don't believe me, then ask some of the real professionals at the first tier colleges.

 

Can someone remind me of where anyone said that the University of Phoenix is as prestigious as Ohio State University or Pennsylvania State University?

 

"Don't believe me, then ask some of the real professionals at the first tier colleges"

Ok...of course they are going to say their school is better than Phoenix...give me a break. Harvard thinks they are better than Yale etc. etc....

Ted is right, who on here was comparing UOP to a first tier university? You think that becuase this board is a proponent of distance/non-traditional education that the members think that schools like UOP, AIU, Kaplan, ITT, Devry, etc... are superior to first tier schools? I don't think anyone on here is that stupid....

I agree with you, schools like UOP "check the box" and that's mainly why they serve mid-career working adults, not 18-22 year old students looking to get their foot in the door. They serve their purpose, and I don't think anyone with a small bit of common sense thinks any differently.

 

When people refer to regional accreditation as the "gold standard," they are talking about the perception of legitimacy -- which (let's face it) is a significant concern with DL degrees. By and large, everyone agrees that RA degrees are "legitimate", and this applies to both UoP and Ohio State.

You, on the other hand, are talking about "prestige" and "value", which are different issues from "legitimacy". In these respects, it's true that UoP and Ohio State degrees are clearly not equal, despite the fact that they are both "legitimate".

Since you brought up the term "gold standard", a monetary analogy seems appropriate. There are many possible mediums of exchange (barter, IOUs, foreign currency), but in America, US currency is the "gold standard" (in fact, this was once literally true). Obviously a penny and a quarter are both equally "legitimate" as US currency. Yet it should be equally obvious that a quarter has more "value".

 

Maybe, maybe not.

I can think of some USNews 4'th tier schools with respected programs. U. of Lousiana Lafayette in Cajun French literature and creative writing generally. Florida International University has an MA program in religious studies that's hired several rising stars in Asian philosophy. If you are interested in the gaming industry or in hotel and restaurant management generally, is there a better school than UNLV?

I don't have the latest issue of 'America's Best Colleges'. But in past years, University of Phoenix wasn't included in the tier rankings. So when people call it '4th tier', a little imagination seems to be involved.

But there's an important point here that probably needs to be made.

USNews' tier rankings look at undergraduate programs and award schools that adhere to a traditional liberal-arts college model. They want to see very high initial selectivity, programs that enroll mostly (or entirely) full time on-campus students, programs that have minimal drop out rates, programs with intense interactivity, and programs where students graduate promptly after four years and don't linger around for five or six.

If schools enroll lots of older non-traditional age students, if they don't worry a great deal about high school GPAs or SAT scores that might be decades old, if they enroll lots of off-campus students in distance learning courses, if they cater primarily to part-time students, if they have high attrition rates as many students leave without graduating after taking a few classes, and if they don't typically graduate their part-time students in four years, then they will fall right down to the bottom of the rankings.

That doesn't necessarily mean that these are bad schools. Some offer very good instruction. And particularly if students can combine their part-time DL schooling with a history of responsible employment in the field they are studying, they might actually end up more employable than a twenty-something with a higher tier degree but no real experience.

There are trade-offs and things aren't always totally clear-cut and black-and-white. But in the case of most people who post here, following the young full-time academic careerist pathway really isn't an option. It was the opportunity to return to school part-time after what were often extended absences that attracted most of us to DL in the first place.

 

Is this the part where I'm supposed to be scared?