UoP dumped by Intel

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Think Dave wants to feel important. Too bad he has the twiddledee and twiddledum doctorates of the world. Thing is, he is not the only one. People here try hard to justify their non-AACSB degrees even in the face of overwhelming evidence. If only they would be more honest with everyone that visits here. I mean, come on now. NCU has no entrance exam and will transfer non-RA credits. Do you really think that a PhD from NCU, TUI and the such is gonna make it now that the AACSB marketing juggernaught is building steam? Intel is just the beginning!

 

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IMHO, in academia, the ability to publish in academic literature is the primary criterion for "acceptance." If Dave can publish in the literature, where he earns his doctorate is relatively unimportant.

 

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Okay....I'm one of the few (if not the only) people in this thread who actually teaches for UoP, so let me set the record straight;

1) I don't have to complete a report for a certain number of students who fall below an "A" grade. UoP has no idea how any student is doing on a week-to-week basis, they only know the grades when they are submitted after the course is over. However, if you have a class where everyone (or almost everyone) receives an A, you will get a "nastygram" from the school, asking to explain yourself. This just happened to me last month, I had an exceptional class who all earned, yes....earned, A's, and I had to explain it.

2) Not everyone who shows-up will pass. Believe me, I've passed-out my share of F's and WF's (failing when withdrawn), and have never been questioned.

3) The academic rigor is comparable to my undergraduate program from a B&M school. There is a A LOT of work, especially considering the classes are only 5 weeks. I've had more than one person drop a course after they read the syllabus.

Is UoP for everyone? Of course not, the same way Harvard Extension isn't for everyone. However, they in no way deserve the bashing they receive; it's almost trendy now to ridicule the school.

Trust me, UoP is a cash cow to the Apollo Group, so there is no way in hell they're going to risk their regional accreditation by pushing through students who shouldn't graduate.

 

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I may be more confused than usual here - Dave W. has a Ph.D?

 

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Well, that record is not especially straight - I teach for UoP also (a class right now) and what Bruce describes is not the place I teach nor the place my fellow "associate faculty" teach with whom I compare notes.

In fact, Bruce's statements are so far off my observations and experience I have to wonder if the "where wallet is, heart will be" syndrom is in play.

Having said that - I do have some great students - but I think they would be great just about anywhere.

 

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Hi Jim,

Busy shilling over here, too? Good job! In a few days you'll tell us after more investigation that NoCentral is really the best choice. Right? Oh, no. Perhaps you have to create another persona now! Sorry...

Dave

 

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Hey Wiberforce, looks like you are the one that keeps bringing up NCU. What next, more shrilling for unaccredited California Pacific University and TUI? NCU, TUI, and CPU. Have you no shame?

An AACSB school is the only way to go.

 

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Hi Jim,

Are you also the Me Again, JumpDog82, and CarlosB personalities, too?

Still, I think you should ask NoCentral for a scholarship to fund all your shilling.

Good job!

Dave

 

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You're paranoid, Dave...but are you paranoid ENOUGH!?

 

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I imagine Bruce, as an administrator, would quickly stop anyone who was posting under multiple profiles.

 

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If you're going to call me a liar Jim, just come out and say it. No need to be cute, we're all adults here.

Believe me, I'd make a hell of a lot more if I worked overtime instead of teaching. I don't do it for the money. You, however, bad-mouth the school, yet cash the checks anyway. What does that say about your motivations?

 

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Bruce, my experience with UOP squares with yours. If Jim does teach at UOP, it is amazing that he hasn't been weeded out yet.

Dave

 

If regional accreditation is not a "blue-chip" accreditation, then why is it that the Professional Accrediting agencies require a school to be regionally accredited, not nationally accredited or state approved, but regionally accredited before the school can even apply for their accreditation?

That is my two cents.

 

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If regional accreditation is not a "blue-chip" accreditation, then why is it that the Professional Accrediting agencies require a school to be regionally accredited, not nationally accredited or state approved, but regionally accredited before the school can even apply for their accreditation? The AACSB requires that a school be regionally accredited.

There's getting to be too many layers of accreditation in this country. If a Professional Accreditation agency, i.e. AACSB or the APA, is better than regional accreditation, then why shouldn't these agencies accept any school that wants to apply for their accreditation without regard to regional accreditation? It's getting to be like a bunch of kids, starting clubs just to keep someone out.

That is my two cents.

 

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Are you sure that they do?

The University of California, Hastings College of the Law is one of the oldest and most respected public law schools in the Western US. It is state-approved, but not regionally accredited. However, its JD program holds full professional legal accreditation from ABA.

The National Test Pilot School, also in California, is also state-approved, and not regionally accredited. Yet its MS program in Flight Test Engineering holds professional engineering accreditation from ABET.

Does AACSB require regional accreditation? Or does AACSB, in fact, accredit dozens of foreign schools that do not have US RA?

 

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Robbie - there appear to be two layers - regional and professional. They serve two different purposes. RA points to the overall institutional standing and governance. Professional is focused on specific areas (business (AACSB or ACBSP), engineering (ABET), etc.).

I suspect that some of the professional accrediting agencies have made RA a requirement in order to simplify their work. If RA (or the foreign equivalent) is required - a professional accreditor like AACSB or ACBSP doesn't have to worry about overall institutional finances or governance. They can focus on what they know best.

Regards - Andy

 

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Poor Dave, has a hard time comprehending what is being said here. And now is getting real paranoid thinking I am multiple personalities. Don't worry Dave, Again I am NOT any of people above you in desperation are dragging into this discussion.
Guess that DBA of yours on the Texas, Oregon, and Maine list really upsets you. Don't blame you. I would be embarrassed too

 

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Of course, a simple comparing of the logged IPs should determine if it is the same user or not. I think Dave knows that. But he likes to attack people here and seems to get away with it. Anyway, sorry you got dragged into my little discussion with DBA Dave. I PM Bruce about DBA Dave's personal attacks against other users here that had NOTHING to do with me. I will only settle for an AACSB doctorate so DL is not an option. Hope everyone that is considering a MBA will give a VERY close look to an AACSB one.

 

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Bryon, it is amazing that you would bother to type with such arrogance while neglecting basic grammar. As an innoncent bystander looking for substance within this thread (that some of you are holding a pissing contest in), it makes me consider that your comments may not be as meaningful as you think they are. Why are you guys going at it like this?

EDIT... If DL is not an option for an AACSB Doctorate, what is the reason for that? Has AACSB published a plausible reasoning for this position that stands up to criticism?

 

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I urge you to contact schools that offer AACSB accredited MBAs and ask them why they do not offer dl Ph Ds. You think I am arrogant? Wait until you speak with a dean at an AACSB school! Since I do not agree with how the administrator here plays favorites I will say so long and good luck