Ward Churchill to be fired for research misconduct

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Mitchell, Jun 27, 2006.

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Was that such a ridiculous statement? Or perhaps Mr. Murtha knows the "ACTUAL" cost of war? Due to his extensive military service. What is wrong with a real conversation, instead of "we will stay the course as long as necessary". I suppose that is nice to say, as long as you or your son's bleed is not being shed. I suppose we should never mention we owe huge amounts of money to foreign countries like China. We do this while we have places in our own country that resemble third world countries.

    As far as Mr. Murtha's actual bill. His bill called for gradual redeployment, not immediate withdrawal. It's funny how you can tell election time. Many republicans are now considering redeployment! What a novel idea.

    Just my two cents brother!

    Abner :)
     
  2. salsaguy

    salsaguy New Member

    Churchill hasn't been canned yet. The Interim Chancellor has recomended that Churchill be dismissed, but he doesn't have final say. The process could take well over 18 months.
     
  3. simon

    simon New Member

     
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  4. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    I suppose the answer is to suspend him without pay for at least a year. That action makes it clear that he is being punished for his misconduct without creating strong incentive for a lawsuit.

    Dave
     
  5. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

     
  6. CargoJon

    CargoJon New Member

    Abner,

    If Murtha's bill was to "gradually redeploy the troops", why did he go on national TV and call for immediate and total withdrawal?

    Because, as our friend Simon said...he was grandstanding. Trying to make a name for himself.

    Speaking of Cindy Sheehan, funny how she wasn't so terribly against the war while her son was alive and fighting in it. Of course I'm sympathetic to her son's loss, and grateful for his sacrifice, I cannot seem to get my mind around ol' Mom's lack of protest prior to him losing his life.
     
  7. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Bingo. He wants to lead this party in the House. I also believe that he believes in what he is doing, so that it is to his credit; however, he seems to be misquoted a lot, which might mean that he isn't too smooth of a communicator and not the leader he would like to be.

    Dave
     
  8. simon

    simon New Member


    There was a news bulletin tonight that Sheehan announced that she would rather live under the dictator Chavez in Venezuela rather than under President Bush. This lady appears to be acting out her guilt for not having done more to prevent her son from enlisting in the military. She is projecting blame on the wrong person, President Bush, rather than dealing with the fact that she said absolutely nothing to her son to protest his signing up with the arm forces when the US was not involved in a conflict in Iraq. I can understand her pain in losing her son. However she appears to need intensive psychotherapy to assist her in dealing with and expiating her guilt rather than on displacing it on the wrong target.
     
  9. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Yes, a visit to a mental health professional certainly couldn't hurt her at this point.

    Dave
     
  10. simon

    simon New Member


    No surprise here! Entitlements are a major part of our ego-centric culture as in the case of sheehan who said nada about her son enlisting and becoming involved in the armed forces when he was benefitting from the system (college tuition, learning new skills and other federal benefits). Of course he was not supposed to be placed in danger or possibly be killed, according to Ms. Sheehan's distorted perspective, BUT only receive benefits! The fact that the liberals are "supporting" this "lady" has nothing to do with their concern about the death of her son but to their need to use her unfortunate situation as an example to erode President Bush's Iraqi Policy. No more, no less.
     
  11. CargoJon

    CargoJon New Member

    If we were in church right now I'd give you a real loud and hearty AMEN.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Okay, I may be against the war, but that's pretty idiotic. Does anyone think if you camp out in protest in front of Chavez's house for weeks at a time that nothing bad happens to you?

    -=Steve=-
     
  13. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

     
  14. simon

    simon New Member

    However what is revealed in such assertions is the lack of credibility of individuals like Mrs. Sheehan, Alex Baldwin and Barbara Streisand (both entertainers indicated that they would leave the US if Bush won the presidency; unfortunately they did not keep their promise). What appears clear in Mrs. Sheehan's case is her attempt to externalize guilt and blame for her failure in preventing her son's tragic death. I can totally understand the excruciating pain of losing a loved one. It is also understandable that when experiencing psychic pain and loss one may project blame on others in order to manage their overwhelming grief. However, in Mrs. Sheehan's case she is taking this defense mechanism to the extreme and at this point should be held accountable for her attempts to demonize Bush while attempting to present herself as being heroic.
     
  15. CargoJon

    CargoJon New Member

     
  16. salsaguy

    salsaguy New Member

    Simon Wrote:

    American Media is a mix of left, moderate, and right perspectives. Moreover, I'm certain the fact that the majority of American Media outlooks are largely owned by 10 different corporations...and corporations tend to push a pro-conservative agenda.

    Notwithstanding this, I remember reading a survey which showed that most journalists interviewed saw themselves as being centrist.
     
  17. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    That sounds about right James, I agree.


    Abner :)
     
  18. sulla

    sulla New Member



    "corporations tend to push a pro-conservative agenda"
    That might explains why channels like MTV and CNN are sooo pro-conservative :D

    Corporations go for the big bucks and will target a niche that they can exploit. American media loves sensationalism and fight to the most brutal end to get the latest news for the sake of ratings, even if it means putting people against each other. Bad news gets more attention and means more ratings. Good news just doesn't sell.

    I don't know what your point is here. So if I say that I'm superman, does that mean that you will believe it? :D
     
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  19. CargoJon

    CargoJon New Member

    Are your serious?

    Most in the media believe they are centrist because they only surround themselves with like-minded individuals. In their elite society, everyone thinks the same way they do..so of course they are centrist and mainstream...:rolleyes:
     
  20. salsaguy

    salsaguy New Member

    Cargo, I disagree with your analysis of how journalists ascertain their poltical persuasions, as it sounds a bit like right-wing dogma. What proof do you have?

    Sulla, for every MTV and CNN, you have your Fox News and other equally biased sources for the right. And youre right: sensationlism DOES sell, but I don't think that is a reflection of media bias, but rather of viewer mentality.

    So you don't think journalists are capable of asessing their own political persuasions? How they any different from any other profession?
     

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