Capella University

Simon,

I know plenty of medical doctors that did not have a high enough MCAT score who had to go to Spain, Mexico, etc. Today they are amazing clinicians who are leaders in their field, have low mortality rates, have diplomates, etc.

I think this whole question about whether tests predict accurately if a person can do doctoral work is debatable. If you could not get into Yale's doctoral Clinical psych program, does that mean you are not as good as their grads are? How poor would your skills be and how would that reflect on you? I think this is a matter of degrees (excuse the pun).

I could have gone to a variety of brick and mortar schools but chose not to for many reasons. One of them being the structuring of the program in such a way that you have to stop adequately providing for your family. Does that mean I am subpar? I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask an MIT grad, yes, I would be. If you ask a school that has hundreds and even thousands of applicants for only about 10-15 openings (such as the U. of S. Florida, U of Miami, or U of Florida), then maybe. I guess those who attend Argossy, Florida Inst. of Tech., Carlos Albizu U., or even Fielding, would be subpar to those who attend the higher tier schools.

In the end, the whole question relates to can a preselected set of information qualify accurately and predict accurately whether a person has what it takes to be successful in academia. Maybe, maybe not. You say, "for sure!" and I don't.

I guess this can also be about the classical battle that rages with those who are given to naturalism and must have measurable deterministic controls over what they preselect is true reality. These are what I call the anal thinkers. They are stuck in a warp where they cannot transcend the mind and where the "spirit" does not exist because they cannot control it and where they could be "devoid" of it.

Anyhow, I perceive that you and me will always disagree on these matters. So I extend the peace pipe to you and wish you well.

 

BLACKBIRD: In the end, the whole question relates to can a preselected set of information qualify accurately and predict accurately whether a person has what it takes to be successful in academia. Maybe, maybe not. You say, "for sure!" and I don't.

SIMON: You are missing the main point of this dialogue as well as drawing erroneous conclusions regarding my position. In fact, I did not state "for sure" and even indicated that these tests were not perfect or foolproof. The issue here actually revolves around the need to prevent the further decline and dumbing down of America that is common place in education and society at large. Many young people are graduating from high school barely literate while a number of college graduates cannot perform basic math calculations. Free standing doctoral programs in Psychology have lowered admission standards resulting in the acceptance of a number of individuals who do not have the academic capacity for anything beyond a bachelors degree. This is also reflected in the quality of Psychological research as noted in many journals, much of which is socio-political in nature rather than scholarly in content.

BLACKBIRD: I guess this can also be about the classical battle that rages with those who are given to naturalism and must have measurable deterministic controls over what they preselect is true reality. These are what I call the anal thinkers. They are stuck in a warp where they cannot transcend the mind and where the "spirit" does not exist because they cannot control it and where they could be "devoid" of it.

SIMON: Let me provide a vignette of an experience I had approximately ten years ago to elucidate the bottomline of this major issue confronting our society. I attended an open house for a highly regarded free standing school of psychology and met a number of their doctoral students in Clinical, Forensic and Organizational Psychology. The eight or so representative students were not articulate, intellectually average and quite frankly unimpressive. While we were conversing, rap music played in the background emanating from a video focusing on the school's emphasis on multiculturalism. In fact, the faculty who presented their spiels spoke more about multiculturism and ethnic diversity and ethnic restaurants than they did regarding academics.

In fact it reached a point that I and two other persons raised our hands and inquired as to whether the school had an academic component. Unfortunately mainstream Psychology seems to have lost its direction; scholarly research pursuits, academic excellence and the attraction of the brightest minds to this profession. What is primarily left is a socio-political agenda that has resulted in Clinical Psychology losing its former high ranking status and prestige as well as its attraction to very bright prospective students who are seeking more viable academic and career options to pursue.

 

Did you ever enroll in any online or brick and mortar psychology doctoral program yourself?

 

hmmm, no answer. I guess that means 'no'. Well, Simon, does this mean you are not a clinical psychologist yourself or are you? Just curious.

 

Or he/she may be a bit busy. Give a person some time before declaring victory.

 

Not so busy Jim. I just don't reveal any of my credentials in an online environment. Just a self-protective thing.

 

Most of us do and have, Simon. You may be a genius (that won't admit he has sour grapes) so that would be great! Or you might be just a lot of hot air! Or you just might be an average normal guy like the rest of us who have to make a living, with life and love for our family, and a dog.

 

I'm not asking you to reveal your real name or where you live. I'm simply asking what you do for a living.

As you can see at the bottom of my post, I'm currently a student working on my masters in developmental psychology.

 

You were right the first time; a genius.

 

You appear overdetermined in you quest to determine what I do for a living. If you or anyone else wish to reveal what they do for a living that is your prerogative. If others don't that is theirs.

In short it is not appropriate ettiquette to press any poster for information they do not wish to share. Please respect that right.

 

I celebrate your genius!

I'm one also but in a different realm.

 

Yes, the "realm" of a legend in your own mind.

 

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Blackbird,
Take everything Simon says with a grain of salt. What probably happened at Capella is that he got into too many heated arguments with some of its students (as is often the case with him in this forum) and was asked to leave.

As for writing skills, I think that one of those high-school students finally showed him how to use a spell-check (he used to have spelling problems as shown on the bottom of the link). LOL : )

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=235371#post235371

Peace

 

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I think DL degrees are rather "new" in a world of long-term and well known B&M schools. However, when more graduates from DL universities begin to make a lager "dent" in the workforce I think a greater acceptance and appreciation of DL universities and their graduates we should see. Generally speaking, all DL universites are not Harvard, Yale, or other premier universities but neither are the majority of people who are attending college. The majority of the work force is ran by non-premier university graduates. If someone wants a degree from a DL university and it is RA (most important to consider) it should not matter which DL you decide to attend for the most part they are almost all the same in the end.

Michelle

 

"Lisa. Capella is regionally accredited. The university has partnerships with well known large corporations and on-campus regionally accredited universities. Employers will not and should not laugh at an online focused RA accredited university. If they do, they are morons who are not worth your time and intelligence. "

You can check out one of those partnerships here

http://www.capella.edu/partner/corporate/northrop.aspx?linkID=6163&Refr=http://home.northgrum.com/capella_university.html

 

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When someone says "distance learning" today people automaticaly think "internet, online". So it is easy to conclude that I was refering to the internet. No need to become analytical with the stats I am well aware of correspondence being around a long time. I am working on a PhD in Public Health, so I have no quarls regarding DL. RA is the most important factor when someone wants to find a DL program.

-michelle