Help with TESC

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  1. isassy

    isassy New Member

    I am new to this board, but my husband told me that this board has helped him tremendously on his academic quest.

    I am currently enrolled at TESC for my Bachelor's in International Business. I transfered in my Associates Degree in Marketing from Quincy College, as well as some course credits from the University of Massachusetts Boston, the University of Phoenix and some military credits. Last year, I had ten classes left for graduation.

    My degree: International Business is kind of complicated because most classes necessary to graduate are not offered at TESC. I started my 12 credits residency and worked with an Advisor to find some classes elsewhere that I can transfer in. I found Baker College Online and the classes were accepted.
    One of the emails verifying this acceptance disappeared because I was handed off to a different advisor.
    I took International Management at TESC and fullfilled one of my requirements. Other subrequirements asked for classes that I absolutely could not find ANYWHERE (e.g. post-soviet economy or International transportation)
    However, International Management could be applied to two different subrequirements and my advisor specifically instructed me that I can re-take International Management as Global Management as I found this course at Baker College, and plug both courses into two requirements. So, I took Global Management at Baker College and just finished it (it was the hardest class in my academic career) and was told today that I cannot double-take one class, regardless if they are carried by a different name, class level (it was a 400 level class at Baker, carrying 4sh) instead of 300 at TESC. So they basically told me to appeal it with the Dean of TESC.

    Furthermore, I have two international business electives that I could not find (e.g. the post-soviet economy) and substituted them with different international classes at Baker college that were approved by TESC but they do not want to give me 3 credits but only 2.67. So in the end, I am shy 1.66 and therefore have to take another class.

    Can I appeal this? Has anybody won an appeal with TESC or the dean there? Has anybody had a similar situation where TESC does not recognize 4sh elsewhere for 3 credits at TESC?

    I am fed up with TESC and would just give up my International Business degree and go with the majority of most business degree graduates and change to Business Administration.

    They do not offer most classes, don't accept full credit for classes that one finally finds elsewhere and then they advise one wrong (the advisor did) and say: "sorry, you double took a class"

    Please help!!!!
     
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  2. skidadl

    skidadl Member

    It sounds like you are doing all that you can do, IMO.

    Appeal, fight and wait or change to BA.

    If you are set on the International Business option I would do whatever is needed to finish even if it mean taking another class.

    www.mountainstate.edu offers independent study courses. If you go to there website you will find a list.

    Sorry I couldn't help more.
     
  3. anthonym

    anthonym New Member

    You could pay the evaluation fee and see how your collection of credits would fit with Excelsior's BS in Global Business.

    Link
     
  4. Vincey37

    Vincey37 New Member

    Baker College uses quarter hours (vs semester hours). You are receiving full credit after the conversion.
     
  5. isassy

    isassy New Member

    TESC

    I appreciate your help.
    Skidadl: I will check out that link, thanks for that.
    Anthonym: I will evaluate Excelsior as well. I have heard a lot abou that school.
    Vincey 37: I don't think I get full credit after the conversion because I get 2.67 after it being transferred to TESC out of 4SH from Baker. It's sad but maybe an appeal would help.

    Thank you all!
     
  6. Vincey37

    Vincey37 New Member

    Re: TESC

    2.67 semester credits IS 4 quarter credits.

    http://www.southalabama.edu/advisingmanual/quartertosem.html

    As you can see, you'd take 4/1.5 - making 2.67
     
  7. isassy

    isassy New Member

    Credit Conversion

    Well, I guess I have to suck it up and take another class. I read somewhere on this board that Baker College is considered to be a tough college. My experience at TESC is that their courses are slower paced and not quite as challenging (their final exams however are tough) and yet I cannot get full credit for Baker classes. Kind of ironic.
    One of these days I will actually graduate.....

    Thanks though.
     
  8. spmoran

    spmoran Member

    You are getting full credit

    Isassy, as Vincey37 pointed out, you are getting full semester hour credit for a (4) QUARTER hour class. I think that you are getting confused by the fact that Baker is based on quarter hours and TESC uses semester hours. They are not the same.

    If you had taken a (5) quarter hour class, it would have translated into a (3) SEMESTER hour class. A (4) quarter hour class translates to (2.67) semester hours.
     
  9. isassy

    isassy New Member

    Isassy, as Vincey37 pointed out, you are getting full semester hour credit for a (4) QUARTER hour class. I think that you are getting confused by the fact that Baker is based on quarter hours and TESC uses semester hours. They are not the same.

    If you had taken a (5) quarter hour class, it would have translated into a (3) SEMESTER hour class. A (4) quarter hour class translates to (2.67) semester hours.


    Isassy: I appreciate all your answers. I guess I will seek classes with 5SH from Baker next time. Little did I know.
    Oh well, live and learn.

    Thank you.
     
  10. Ultimale

    Ultimale New Member

    Stay focused on your goal!

    You have come too far to stop at this point!

    I had this type of crap constantly at TESC! They were a pain in the a$$! The Professors were excellent, but the registrar, admin, NAVY rep, etc. were the worst! That being said, don't let them keep you from your goal. Rise above it. The customer/student service was the worst I have experienced.

    Stay persisitent and when dealing with TESC, get names, numbers, and Document, document, document! Appeal to the Dean, then his boss and so forth. You might need to take another class, if so, take it and move on. Hang in there and remember......stay focused on the finish line, not the obstacles!
     
  11. isassy

    isassy New Member

    Wow

    Thank you very much for your encouragement. I really appreciate it. You make it sound as if it is easy all in a sudden. Your encouragement made me decide to finish my classes elsewhere instead of Baker, so I can transfer three credits in instead of 2.67 and I will appeal that class I double-took (as it was ok'd by the advisor) to the Dean.

    Thank you all so much!

    Next stop, Graduate (but not at TESC)

    Isassy
     
  12. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Whoa . . . Graduate, but at TESC. You've come too far to waste time in transferring everything to a new program.

    You may not have graduate school plans at this point, but if you do want to continue, the TESC degree will get you in anywhere. The entire key to TESC is knowing how to "work the system" - to get in and get out as quickly as possible with a regionally accredited degree (and that process is faster at TESC than almost any other school).

    At this point, get the additional credit in anything you need to complete the program. Remember that TESC is largely an assessment-based program - whatever works, do it. It will be less of a hassle than moving at this juncture.

    For what it's worth, I don't think I learned anything at TESC - except how to work the system (which, of course, included the notion of keeping everything. And, unlike some people on the board, I never had a hassle with them, and did find them responsive (even with changing advisors occasionally). And that psyche, so to speak, got me in and out in less than two years for the whole ball of wax (and I started from scratch).

    In the end run, while a bachelor's degree is nice to have, it's what you do afterwards that really counts.

    By the way, welcome to degreeinfo.com.
    _________________

    Afterthought: TESC is right. Whoever told you that you could get credit for both "International Business" and "Global Business" is way off base - that's called double dipping, and is very much frowned upon. It's like seeking credit for "American History 1800-1899" and "19th Century American History." Chalk it up and do something different.
     
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  13. isassy

    isassy New Member

    Whoa . . . Graduate, but at TESC. You've come too far to waste time in transferring everything to a new program.

    You may not have graduate school plans at this point, but if you do want to continue, the TESC degree will get you in anywhere. The entire key to TESC is knowing how to "work the system" - to get in and get out as quickly as possible with a regionally accredited degree (and that process is faster at TESC than almost any other school).

    At this point, get the additional credit in anything you need to complete the program. Remember that TESC is largely an assessment-based program - whatever works, do it. It will be less of a hassle than moving at this juncture.

    For what it's worth, I don't think I learned anything at TESC - except how to work the system (which, of course, included the notion of keeping everything. And, unlike some people on the board, I never had a hassle with them, and did find them responsive (even with changing advisors occasionally). And that psyche, so to speak, got me in and out in less than two years for the whole ball of wax (and I started from scratch).

    In the end run, while a bachelor's degree is nice to have, it's what you do afterwards that really counts.

    By the way, welcome to degreeinfo.com.

    isassy: Whoa, thanks. You sound really like a goal-getter. I found it interesting how you said you didn't learn a lot at TESC but how to play the system. I guess I can do some learning about the system.
    I was thinking of taking the same classes that TESC allowed me to take elsewhere (at Baker) at Capella and I would get my three credits instead of the 2.67. Anybody knows anything good or bad about Capella. I was confused about the six credits they are saying their courses are worth. Are they the same as the four sh at Baker? It did say on their website: 6 credit hours at Capella. It is hard to find International Business classes, I found then at Capella and as far as I know they are only six weeks long. As you said Steve: get in and out as fast as you can. I need to graduate this year and I want to eventually go on for my Graduates, that's why I have been focusing on six-week courses and only take my four classes for residency at TESC.

    I appreciate all your prompt replies, I have been absent the last few days because I was in the field with the Military (it is my full-time employment)

    Isassy
     
  14. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Here's the general rule of thumb at all schools: one semester hour equals 1-1/2 quarter hours, one quarter hour equals 2/3 of a semester hour. Thus, if a school offers a course for six q.h. credits, another school will translate that to 4 s.h. If a school offers a course for 2 s.h., another school will translate that to 3 q.h.

    That said, why repeat a course? (That is, if you took a course at Baker, why do the same course at Capella?) Do a different course that will fit into the subject area requirement at TESC - that way, it will show another course on your transcript. (That's how to "work the system.) At this point, the idea is to do anything that will fill in each broad area requirement at TESC. ;)
     
  15. isassy

    isassy New Member

    That said, why repeat a course? (That is, if you took a course at Baker, why do the same course at Capella?) Do a different course that will fit into the subject area requirement at TESC - that way, it will show another course on your transcript. (That's how to "work the system.) At this point, the idea is to do anything that will fill in each broad area requirement at TESC.

    isassy: Oh, I am not thinking of repeating a couse (again) I found some courses at Baker that would satisfy my International Business requirements. I have not taken them yet but proposed them to TESC. I gave them the course description and Course number and TESC said that I can take these courses at Baker and transfer them to TESC and satisfy my requirements.
    However, now that I found out that all courses from Baker will translate into 2.67 credits once transferred to TESC, I would like to take the proposed classes that I found at Baker, elsewhere instead. I found the same classes at Capella. If TESC accepts courses from Baker, they surely will accept them from Capella. I rather take them somewhere where I will get my 3 credits for them once transferred to TESC.
    Does that make sense?
     

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