Ich kann nicht anders...

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  1. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    My conscience and my confessor are both very definite.

    I did not join degreeinfo to be court chaplain to a porn king.

    I did not join to have my honour and my affiliations besmirched.

    I have endured endless lies and defamation from elsewhere.

    I will not silently endure or accept this factual situation, nor appear to do so.

    I condemn pornography. Period.
    I condemn paedophilia. Period.
    I condemn shilling for mills. Period.
    I condemn shilling for porn. Period.
    I condemn abusing people's wallets. Period.
    I condemn abusing people's bodies. Period.
    I condemn the psycho fora. Period.

    I condemn the betrayal of trust at degreeinfo. With all my heart.

    As R. Hillel said, "And if not now, when?"

    For your freedom and for ours,

    Uncle Janko
    Evangelical Lutheran pastor
    12. Jänner 2006
     
  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Dear me, Unc, what are you telling us?
     
  3. Tim D

    Tim D Member

    Janko,

    I think most people would agree with what you have said. I realize you have taken quite the abuse in your time! I also realize you can not do otherwise(Ich kann Nicht anders). I think most people would agree with your condemnations (I know I do for the most part). The puzzling thing is are you just coming out to publicly condemn those things or do you mean those words as Martin Luther did in his defiant nature "Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders"? I guess we all just want to know meaning behind the post.

    kann Gott uns allen helfen
     
  4. AdAstra

    AdAstra Member

    Would it change anything if Chip were to relinquish any interests he might have in DegreeInfo and leave it?

    It seems to me that Chip might be involved in some very serious activities, and if these are found to be true, or until proven otherwise, then the most honorable thing for Chip to do would be to withdraw from any further involvement with DI.

    I just don't see why the innocent should feel the need to withdraw from contributing to DI because of somebody else's alleged misdemeanors.

    If Chip refused to resign, then the next best option would be to setup another board of a similar nature and get on with life. It would be a pity to lose all of the knowldege base gathered on DI over the years, though.
     
  5. AdAstra

    AdAstra Member

    Gott hilft denen die sich selbst helfen.
     
  6. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    He owns DegreeInfo, exactly who is he supposed to relinquish it to?

    Since he's not being charged with a crime, there is no investigation.

    I can respect anyone's views on pornography. What I don't understand is how people think someone's legal business interests somehow sully the reputation of DegreeInfo, especially when Chip is hardly even involved with the day-to-day operation of the board lately. If there were banner ads or pop-ups for adult websites, I could understand people being upset. But, if someone can show me where there is any direct connection between DegreeInfo and any adult websites, I'd love to see it.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Who without the sin trow the stone first.

    Learner
     
  8. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Close Learner. :D
     
  9. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I must be under a rock...what is this about?
     
  10. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    As a senior member, I must agree with Bruce. Chip's explanation was more than sufficient for me. What Chip does in his private life is up to him. Enough said.

    I would also like to thanks Chip for site.

    Respectfully,


    Sensei Abner
     
  11. JoAnnP38

    JoAnnP38 Member

    Randell,

    Read the current controversy by Chip on this forum.
     
  12. B.N.

    B.N. Member

    I don't approve of smoking, that's how I feel. But that doesn't mean that I boycott Nabisco, Oreos, Chips Ahoy, Miller Beer, Toblerone, Philadelphia, Kool-Aid and Stove-top etc etc etc because they are partly owned by Philip Morris (direct financial link).

    I also don't want to promote pornography, that's also how I feel. But that doesn't stop me from buying a newspaper or magazine from the magazine stand that has pornography in the corner (direct financial link). It doesn't stop me from renting a movie at a rental store which has porn in the corner of the store (direct financial link).

    I also don't want to promote homosexuality, that's how I feel. But I still buy a newspaper which has men seeking men or women seeking women personals section (direct financial link).

    Why would I let the knowledge of Chip's business endeavors stop me from benefitting from all of the wonderful information available here at DI? These organizations are completely seperate. There is no direct financial link between DI and whatever else Chip is doing. That would almost be like boycotting DI or any other organization because one of the partners, owners, managers, whatever owns stock of Playboy or some other adult entertainment company.

    I have never seen a link to porn or anything NON-DL anywhere on this site.

    Brandon
     
  13. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Bump (not grind).
     
  14. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I've discussed the matter fully with my praesidium. This is my last post on degreeinfo.

    Note to plcscott: Before you do your "thing", please observe that I have previously briefly withdrawn from this or that forum as a protest until a condition was met (which happened each time), and that I have on occasion posted notice that I would not be participating for a set period of time due to travel or the pressure of work.

    This is not that.

    This is the last post.

    Note to the person who thinks I'll come crawling back: Uncle Janko doesn't crawl.

    Nem, Nem, Soha!
     
  15. blahetka

    blahetka New Member

    This was the point I made in another thread. As stated in Chip's message, the sites in question are a 'portion' of what the company does. Also, the servers, etc. for the other company are separate, housed in different places, and manged separately.

    I worked for NETCOM On-line Services (now part of Earthlink) and @Home Network at different points in time. There was a lot of questionable content there (well, questionable in my mind but not in others'). Did that make my endeavors in other areas at those points in time questionable?

    I work in the financial services industry. There have been active investigations into mutual fund companies and annuity fraud. However, would a reasonable person use this to cast doubt on my effectiveness as an adjunct teaching business stats and international business? Should I resign my position as an adjunct simply because some people find my association with an industry that has taken a few well deserved lumps?

    I also hold certification as a massage practitioner. I had an active part time practice at one time, and with the exception of a few coworkers that were clients, I kept the activity separate from my normal work. Massage practice in this area came under fire in this part of the country for awhile. Did it make me any less effective as a network consultant?

    Let's not give into FUD. I vigorously defend the rights of those who want to distance themselves on whatever basis they choose. However, don't let FUD be the reason (and Unc, FWIW, I believe you are NOT giving into FUD).

    I for one will mourn the loss of some of the people who gave freely the best of themselves for the advancement of others. Kudos to you. I will also welcome your return.
     
  16. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    Uncle, ik wenst je het beste
     
  17. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    I guess my "thing" is referring to my comments on members announcing over and over that they are not going to post anymore and then continuing to do so. Yea, I think it is a bit silly. If a member wishes to quit participating, fine, either give your last words and leave, or just leave unless attention is wanted.

    I would rather you not leave, but I do respect your decision. And, no I have not said that you will come crawling back if you are referring to me.
     
  18. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    This whole thread is getting carried away - Most of us don't know what the other people who participate on this forum do - nor do we care.

    As long as the folks who run/own this board aren't involved in illegal activites, who are we to say how they are to make their living?

    As was mentioned, there are no porn pop-ups and nothing adult/porn orientated on this website - what is the big deal about how Chip makes his living? Have you forgotten how many people's lifes have improved (career, personal growth and otherwise) through stumbling on this site and participating in the forum? Countless!

    Würde mich aber auch interessieren warum man da noch Gott mit reinwirft - und auch Deutsch - was hat das eine mit dem anderen zu tun? Quatsch sowas.

    Now, let's move on, shall we? :rolleyes:
     
  19. TCord1964

    TCord1964 New Member

    I've spent the past few days reading this board, and I have to admit, I'm with BlueMason on this.

    If Chip were involved with say, child porn or turning out hookers on the street, then I say castrate him and hang him from the nearest tree. However, that isn't what he is doing. He has a partial interest in some gay porn sites. So what?

    Although it's not my bag, if that's what Chip wants to be involved in, that's his business. The last time I checked, porn, gay or otherwise, was still a legal activity as long as it involved consenting adults age 18 or over. Since that appears to be the case here, what is there to investigate? What is there to apologize for? What is there to be concerned about?

    It's not as if we have links from this site to porn, gay or otherwise. If we did, I would not bother to read this forum or post here. Since that is not the case, I think people should get back to the business of discussing what this forum is really all about: distance education.

    The "outing" of Chip is a thinly-veiled attempt by those who support mills and unaccredited schools to destroy this web site and this board. This board is bad news for them. It affects THEIR business and their bottom line. Unfortunately, those who run degree mills likely make MUCH more money than Chip does from his gay porn site. Keep in mind: THEIR activities are illegal. Chip's ownership, or partial ownership, of a gay porn site is not.

    Who should REALLY be ashamed of their activities: someone who has partial ownership in a legal porn site, or someone who is shilling degrees that could get one arrested in some states? I think the answer is clear.

    By the way, I'll bet most of you (and the people on the "other" boards), have viewed online porn at one point or another. SOMEONE is spending some of the $30 billion per year generated by the porn industry, and they all aren't fat, middle-aged men sitting in a darkened room in their basement with their computer.

    The allegations and the hub-bub over this gay web site business will only destroy this board if WE choose to let it.

    'Nuff said.
     
  20. bullet

    bullet New Member

    right right

    Right on TCORD !

    Everyone in support of this site should immediately list on their signature line :full name, address, telephone numbers, and job site.

    How about it guys !!!!!!!!!!!


    I am sure G-D agree's with you that it's better to view and sell porn (more so, gay porn) that it is to buy a degree.

    ;)
     
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