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  1. melissa21111

    melissa21111 New Member

  2. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Ah, yes... one of my favorite spoonerisms...

    ...and a web site after my own heart.

    And I already have the "Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry" sticker on one of my vehicles.

    But then, again, I'm a flaming liberal... what can I say.
     
  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member




    Love it!!! What Gregg said too!


    Hasta la pasta Melissa!

    Abner :)
     
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Gregg, you do flame but you are not at all liberal.

    I once told Orson to not complain when Liberals (not liberals) responded to his Conservative taunts. Now I say the same to the giggle and fart crew spewing these jagoff posts.

    Don't complain when you are paid back in kind.

    Preachment off.
     
  5. miguelstefan

    miguelstefan New Member

    It is funny because it could be true… GWB is so dumb that anything can happen and anything can be said… And yet he is a Yale graduate… But then so is the Mule with the PhD, who probably worked harder to earn its honorary PhD than GWB on his bachelor… :D
     
  6. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The proper spelling is

    Fuck Bush

    I don't have very much respect for people that use obscenities but think that it doesn't count if they intentionally mis-spell them. That's just cowardice and hypocrisy combined.

    Actually, I don't have anything against obscenities, if they are used in the appropriate time and place. Degreeinfo probably isn't that place, but then again, a DL board isn't really the place for a political forum either.

    But if people are going to use obscenities, if they are going to make efforts to induce other people think the words, then they should be willing to spell them out clearly and own up to them.
     
  7. lspahn

    lspahn New Member

    And yet he got higher grades than Kerry. And how many here can even get into Yale???? Not to mention graduated? Any Yale equivilant schools here??? MIT, Harvard, Stanford?

    Hate to break to to people, but the level of work to obtain an A or B at some smuck community college or small state school is not on the same level as a C at Yale or Harvard....

    There is no doubt that his verbal skills are lacking..But i realize that appearance and perception are more important to some people than actual substance.

    You guys crack me up......


    PS- Save the "His daddy got him in" stuff...Yale has academic and testing requirements....
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    This thread is another example of what I referred to in the 'political party' thread as 'showing gang colors'.

    It's a group of people joining together in ostentatious hostility towards someone outside their group, in hopes of increasing their own sense of internal solidarity.

    You often see the same social dynamic on elementary school playgrounds. More ominously, it's also what fueled racism, religious wars and the Nazi holocaust.
     
  9. lspahn

    lspahn New Member

    Bill,

    Although Im not totaly clear on your position, You have hit the nail on the head. Im waiting for a senator to say

    "I know you are, but what am I!"
     
  10. Jigamafloo

    Jigamafloo New Member

    Let people play, and get it off their chests. As a supposed conservative (I'm military, so by association I must support all of the administrations policies, right?) with decidedly liberal views, I like seeing postings like this.

    Given that this is a "political discussions" forum, by all means let’s throw out a position and see where the chips fall. I don't see "gang colors", but I do see like minded people commenting. At the same time, I see "sound bite" criticisms of complex issues by the same folks.

    To clarify my own position, I most certainly DON'T agree with most of the decisions/policies put out by the current administration and I have a personal stake (getting my arse shot off) in the results. The cartoons in the link were very funny, but I would like to see more specific criticisms of policies. Let’s meet a bit in the middle in this forum between light humor and serious knee breaking. To borrow (paraphrase) a tag line, just my .02 rubles…….

    Dave
     
  11. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Wow,

    Are you really so confused to believe that? You may disagree with his politics 1000% but to think and post such a thing is, well, ... Probably better I don't say. This is why the Democratic party is in such a losing position. They stand for nothing and put nothing positive forward. Unfortunately they have just become the anti-republican, anti-america party. My hope is that sooner or later they come out of this sickness. Our country needs more balance and it won't happen while the Democratic side is so messed up.
     
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  12. Interesting response, but I believe there are a few holes in your argument:

    When you mention "higher grades", it's apparent that neither was a star student. Kerry received a 76 average for his 4 years while Bush received a 77 average for 3 years + a similar non-numerical rating during his senior year. Not exactly much higher...both had a poor start in their freshman year and improved throughout the course of their studies.

    You make an excellent point about "getting into Yale". However, have you looked at the academic and testing requirements to get into an undergraduate History [Bush, in 1964] or Political Science [Kerry in 1962] program? Have they remained the same over the years? Is it harder or easier (or the same) to get into Yale now than 1962/64?

    In fact, Bush was admitted to Yale under a "legacy" preference system (due to his father being an alumnus) - his SAT scores were 180 points below the median for his classmates, scoring a 566 verbal / 640 math (1206 total). I'm not sure what the cutoff scores are at Yale (then or now), but 1206 doesn't seem stellar. I found a source (not necessarily reliable) that showed Kerry's score to be 1190, which is even worse.

    Therefore, "his daddy" absolutely did have an influence under Yale's admission policies.

    Also at the time, George W's grandfather was a sitting Senator of CT, who ironically was also an alumnus of Yale. Did this have any influence? Who knows. Did Kerry's association with the Kennedy clan have any influence? Possibly as well.

    Please explain your rationale here...are you saying that an "A" student in an Engineering program at a small state school has less work than a History or Political Science student at Yale or Harvard? Or are you comparing similar programs? On what are you basing this argument? Pegagogy? Number of assigments?

    I have heard that Yale has been criticized over the years for grade inflation, but I don't know if this covers 1962-1968 (the years Kerry and Bush attended) or later, or in fact, today.

    Ultimately, both ended up with a great education (Bush's Harvard MBA was no doubt a great asset) and it shows that grades mean so little when compared to other factors such as ability as well as political/business connections.

    Please note that my response has nothing to do with partisan politics, nor am I biased for/against either Bush or Kerry - I'm just trying to understand the logic behind your comments.

    Cheers,
    Mark
     
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  13. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    Is Miguels statement so wrong? Your post insinuates Miguel can disagree with GWB, but he cannot call GWB dumb? That just does not make sense Dave.

    Furthermore, your post goes on to shower disdain on Democrats by calling them anti-american? What kind of nonsense is that? Are we not in a society where we can speak out against our President?, or would you prefer that the President be a King whom the people cannot speak out against?

    Finally, your statement gives the impression the Dems are the big black wolves beating up on the poor, harmless Republicans. Do you really believe that?


    Just my humble opinion,



    Abner
     
  14. lspahn

    lspahn New Member

    Abner,

    I agree that being able to dissent is what americian is all about, and dont like anti-americain being used directly, BUT how would someone who was antiamericain act differently? But most of the rest of the post is valid. They dont have any plans or ideas (confirmed by Sen.Shumer) and all they have to say is a basic, and very thin retoric. Can you help me out and tell me what their plans are???? Im serious, like dave i want some balance in politics and believe if the Dems keep up the nonsense they will continue to lose on all fronts. You cant base a political party on whatever the other side want i dont.. Thats just silly, they simply dont want to agree with anything that he does, no matter what. People like yourself should push your agrenda with ideas,and not what they appear do to boing...
     
  15. lspahn

    lspahn New Member


    The legacy system is availible to all alumni, not just Bushes. So the daddy tenure there provided him with little or no extra infulance than if my father was a yale grad. We can debate the fairness of a legacy system. I mean giving someone a slot in school without them being the best candidate is wrong right? O, except in the cases of AA.

    As for comparing programs at different colleges. My logic is derived fromt he fact the a yale or harvard grad a tremendous earning power over people from smaller programs. I understand that Engineering program at any unviversity is difficult, and there are "Ivy League" Eng schools (u of delaware comes to mind) but ultimatly the high expectations coming into and from an ivy league school are tremendous.
     
  16. miguelstefan

    miguelstefan New Member

    Everybody take a deep breath and lighten up right now. The site buckfush.com is a joke and so were my remarks. It is not meant to be taken seriously. I did not call the president a draft dodger or an alcoholic, etc. I said he was more dumb and lazy than the mule with the PhD. :D Can I prove those statements? Thank God I don’t have to. It was a JOKE. Jokes are for amusement purposes only. Not meant to offend, enrage, or start a deep debate by anybody.

    Happy New Year!!!
     
  17. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Lets take these one by one.

    1. Yes his statement is 100% wrong. You don't get twice elected President with a very healthy margin along with sweeping the House and Senate if you are dumb and ignorant. Miguel can say ANYTHING he wants, but it reflects more on his bias than the President.

    2. Yes the Dems DO seem very anti-american at this point. The Democratic leadership was fully in favor of attacking Iraq and now attack their own country for doing so. They want the protection of the Military but don't want any recruiters in the schools. They want to officially support the war but do everything possible to undermine it. They quite simply are the "anti-everything" party. Unfortunately it is very sad.

    3. Big black wolves?! No(smile). More like back-biting Hyienas. The Repubs are more than capable of standing up to such tatics. It is the country and each of us individually that loses. If the Dems were straight they would say this is what we are against and this is exactly how we would do it differently. Then we could have a national debate and as a country choose a path. In the current situation that can't happen.
     
  18. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Miguel

    Now you say your post and comments were a joke but go right on to repeat and extend them?! Which is it? Interesting that you seem to like to take "pot-shots" at the twice elected President of the U.S while we are in the middle of a war and our military forces are in harms way.
     
  19. miguelstefan

    miguelstefan New Member

    Further proof that nothing will make Republicans than getting rid of free speech. Gee, surprise, I don’t like GWB. Well the way I see it neither do most Americans. At least so I see in the latest opinion polls.

    Am I Anti-republican? To the bone. Am I Anti-American? Never, and I resent the characterization. Only republicans know anything about that, since it is the party that is slowly and painfully killing all the freedoms we have and that make AMERICA unique.

    PS: I am an American, a Democrat, and - lucky me - I am protected by the exact same Bill of Rights as every other citizen in the U.S.A.
     
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  20. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    More rubbish

    No one here has promoted limiting your rights in any way. They have only pointed out your "pot-shots" and unwillingness to stand behind your own words. I remember when being a Democrat meant standing FOR something, not just trying to tear down things.
     

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