One in ten college graduates in New York State...

is unable to read basic newspaper articles according to a New york Post article!

 

I have met a guy who could solve A triple integral (that is calculus) in a second, but can read third grader reading.

I beileve if you can not read you must be good at something else.

 

And do you really believe all that the New York Post publishes?

Tom

 

Where's the link?

 

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I read it in yesterday's paper edition of the New York Post. If you wish you can look it up online and provide the link.

 

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More so than what some posters present as facts!

 

Hum, I Wonder if They Are Graduates of RA Universities

It goes to show you that RA isn't what it is cracked up to be.

 

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http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/58622.htm

 

Re: Hum, I Wonder if They Are Graduates of RA Universities

No, it doesn't. You have not shown the connection between this unsubstantiated statement and regional accreditation. Additionally, you have not demonstrated how the elimination of regional accreditation would somehow improve this alleged condition.

I would look forward to that.

 

You know, I saw this last night on cnn or fox or something and considered:

I'm in the south -- we have a reputation for ignorance down here.

I worked in social service direct delivery for many years down here. (ss clients have a reputation for being the most ignorant of the ignorant)

I wondered how many thousand people I have known, worked with, etc.. in just the past 10 years. I'd have no way to figure that but it's alot.

Then I considered how many functionally illiterate people I've known in the same time. ummmmm 1 -- he was LD and not a college grad.

Granted, I don't work in remedial adualt education where you might expect to find these people. I don't work in TESOL (though I think I'd like to) where you might find intelligent people who can't read english.

Based on my own observations -- I do not believe that 1:10 college grads anywhere are unable to understand what they read in a newspaper (provided the article to be read is presented in the correct language and at an appropriate level). I propose that 1) the study referenced is faulted 2) the study referenced has been misinterpreted.

That's just my opinion though.

I've begun to not believe at all much of what I'm being told in the media.

By the way, there aren't any jobs out there for master's degree holders so we're all going to end up working for minimum wage at McDonalds...

 

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In my mind this is a bit rude. You start a thread and reference a newspaper article and then deliberately refuse to provide a link.
When someone asks for the link you essentially say, "Go find it yourself."
It's just bad form simon.
Jack

 

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With all due respect, it appears that there was a lack of respect in the way Decimon "demanded" the link rather than request it with appropriate online etiquette. In fact I did not refuse but did not have time to access the article in question online today and was reporting what I had read the previous day in the paper version. Yet I do not see any comments regarding this posters brusque manner.

Jack, I absolutely respect your role as well as other moderators in keeping this forum working so well but believe that there should be an impartial moderation. Just my perspective. Simon

 

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Then you misread it.

You wrote, "If you wish you can look it up online and provide the link." Sounds like a refusal to me.

Then maybe next time you should wait 'til you have the time to make the thread-starting post, including a link to whatever it is upon which you'd like others to comment. Just seems like it would be more efficient... and considerate... but that's just me.

decimon was neither demanding nor brusque. As I said, you misread it... badly, it's starting to seem.

If you're suggesting that Jack wasn't impartial because he didn't comment on decimon's words, yet he commented on yours, that's because he didn't misread either decimon's words, or yours. Had there been some sort of tit-for-tat thing going on, you might have a point. But you misread decimon's words -- which, incidentally, is no crime or anything... happens around here all the time -- and then you reacted based on that misreading... which, unfortunately, made what you wrote rude. So Jack called you on it... and believe me when I tell you that he was probably more diplomatic about it than I would have been.

Look... in the master scheme of things, this is no big deal, so let's not turn it into one, okay? Just next time remember to provide a link if there's a news story, or a web site, or a college/university, or a program, or whatever about which you seek commentary. It not only makes everyone's life easier because they won't, then, have to go Google whatever it is you're talking about and try to find the site themselves; but it also ensures that whatever they look at is, in fact, precisely what you're talking about.

No harm, no foul, then... okeedokie?


As to the thread's subject: I don't believe it. And the New York Post is a rag... barely better than one's local Penny Saver. It's good for wrapping fish, maybe... that's it.

 

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In terms of the thread subject, I do believe it.

There are quite a few students in New York State's public and university system who were being promoted from grade school through college without grade appropriate academic competencies. In fact, this was a major issue in regard to Bloomberg being elected for mayor in New York. He required academic standards to be toughened and social promotion to be terminated. He appointed a very demanding chancellor of education who promoted this rigorous criteria for graduation. In fact the City University of New York had plummeted from being the "poor man's Harvard" of New York (the number of graduates from this university system in the fifties and sixties who won pulitzer prizes and were awarded Nobel laureates was disproportionate to the rest of the US) to a university system where many students in undergraduate and graduate programs were at remedial academic levels but were able to graduate nonetheless. This unfortunate situation began to change during the Guiliani administration and followed through by Bloomberg.

In addition it is not a matter of whether a newpaper is perceived as being worthwhile or not ( for example, we have learned that a newspaper with the exulted status of the New York Times has been under the gun for fudging facts and skewing the news) but whether the news they present can be corroborated.

 

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You think it's not impartial because you're the one cited. Well, we've asked others to post links and I've noted that when you were asked you responded rudely. How long does it take to include a link in a post? 30 seconds? You're in that much of a hurry?
Jack

 

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I was under the impression that DESELMS definitively stated his perceptions, presented his points and as moderator I respect his position. No argument. He is doing his job and I respect it. To continue this issue at this point is totally unnecessary, unless its something you wish to do.

 

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There has been some covert discussion recently suggesting that Gregg and I are actually one and the same person. My own efforts have traced this rumor back to the Illuminatti but, as is always the case with them, it is rather difficult to confirm. I'd like to thank you, simon, for offering independent, objective confirmation that Gregg and I are actually two different people and as such are able to post our own thoughts and opinions, independently of each other.

I hope you are well and that in the future you can post in a more friendly, helpful manner.
Jack

 

New York Post Article

Hello everyone,


I believe the article mentioned "statewide"

It's unfair to single out New York City Public Schools and the CUNY system. The state of New York also has the SUNY system and quite a number of private institutions including: Columbia, Cornell, New York University, Fordham, and so on.

Peace!
Maria

 

100 percent of New Yorkers are unlikely to find a basic newspaper article in the New York Post, according to a Degreeinfo post!

 

Well I'm a senior at Fordham University and i can vouch that some ,or an arbitrary amount, of my classmates have no written command of standard english. And these are rich, Catholic and white students - so much about this talk of the public education system.