PhD accepted as Dr.-title in Germany?

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  1. lilians_mom

    lilians_mom New Member

    Does anybody have experience, whether a "PhD" is accepted as an official Dr.-title in Germany? Thanks!
     
  2. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    Probably it would depend on which institution conferred the PhD.
     
  3. George Brown

    George Brown Active Member

    Try these links:

    Strafgesetzbuch (StGB), Besonderer Teil, Erster Abschnitt , §132a

    German federal law on use of academic titles and qualifications - http://bundesrecht.juris.de/bundesrecht/stgb/__132a.html



    Handel mit Doktorhüten, Wer bietet mehr?, Spiegel Online  22.02. 03

    http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/studium/0.1518.237411.00.html (fee required)



    Documentation of the Kultusministerkonferenzkonferenz:

    Grundsätze für die Regelung der Führung ausländischer Hochschulgrade & (Beschluss der KMK vom 14.04.2000)  KMK decree of 14.04.2000 

    http://www.kmk.org/hschule/grundsaetze.htm



    Führung ausländischer Hochschulgrade in Deutschland (The Use of Foreign Academic Degrees in Germany) - http://www.kmk.org/zab/grade08.htm



    Anabin - Informationsystem zur Anerkennung ausländischer Bildungsabschlüsse

    http://www.anabin.de
     
  4. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member

    For permanent residents, It needs to be "nostrificated" by the respecting state (!) ministry of education (law!). If you don´t do so, that is considered as illegal ("misuse of degrees"). If you are only a short-time visitor, not permanently living in Germany, you can use your title in any way it is written on your original diploma.

    If it´s from a known school (i.e. one that´at least regionally accredited), the result will be that you can lead the title in the way it is written on your diploma (e.g. "Ph.D."), but with the country-code abbreviation in brackets OR as "Dr." with country-code abbreviation in brackets.

    Results:
    John Doe, Ph.D. (USA)
    OR
    Dr. (USA) John Doe

    All right?
    Cheers,
    t.
     
  5. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    This information is outdated! The nostrification process is abolished in all German states. It's replaced by a general permission to use all academic degrees from fully(!) recognised institutions, if the degree is granted on basis of real academic work and examinations. However, the name of the institution and the country must be added.
    This means the following is the legal form to use your degree:

    John Doe, Ph.D. ,<name of institution> ,<country-code abbreviation>


    But there are two exceptions:

    The first one is made for Ph.D. degrees from recognised(!) Kanadian and US universities (this means: other doctorates [e.g. DBA] not included!) , all research doctorates from Australia and Israel, and the following degrees from Russia:
    kandidat biologiceskich nauk
    kandidat chimiceskich nauk
    kandidat farmacevticeskich nauk
    kandidat filologiceskich nauk
    kandidat fiziko-matematiceskich nauk
    kandidat geograficeskich nauk
    kandidat geologo-mineralogiceskich nauk
    kandidat iskusstvovedenija
    kandidat medicinskich nauk
    kandidat nauk (architektura)
    kandidat psichologiceskich nauk
    kandidat selskochozjajstvennych nauk
    kandidat techniceskich nauk
    kandidat veterinarnych nauk

    It's also legal to use these degrees in this form:

    Dr. (<country-code abbreviation>) John Doe


    The second exception is made for research doctorates from all EU and EEA member states.
    [ Swiss doctorates are also included in this exception, if the doctorate is from one of these institutions:
    University of Basel
    University of Berne
    University of Fribourg
    University of Geneva
    University of Neuchâtel
    University of Lausanne
    University of Lucerne
    Università della Svizzera Italiana (Lugano)
    University of St. Gallen
    University of Zurich
    ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich)
    EPFL (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne) ]

    It's legal to use these degrees equivalent to German doctorates.:
    Dr. John Doe


    mintaru.
     
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  6. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    By 2009 Bologna begins to apply so all EU degrees will be have to be recognized elsewhere in the Union. That´s only three years from now, but it was about time someone did something about that ..... :mad: In Spain nowadays to validate ANY degree whether from the EU or abroad takes years, and tons of paperwork, and an uncertain future since validation is never automatic. In Holland they are a little bit more lineant, but they als orequire The Hague Apostile to ALL diplomas and trancript, plus translations etc... Also a hassle. I am looking forward this Bologna thing begins asap.
     
  7. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member


    Hi mintaru.
    In theory - yes. You are right.
    In practice - no. Not all German states have already implemented this law into state law (I know pretty sure that Northrine-Westphalia has already done so, and Hesse has not... - just as two examples which come to my mind).
    Thus, it´s still safest to first contact your respective state minstry of education before leading a title illegaly.
    But anyhow, in practice there´s not much of a difference to the information I have given regarding the way of leading a title - just probably a difference in terms of duty of nostrification...

    Yep, Switzerland is an exeption because of bilateral agreements (but has already been so since years).

    Cheers,
    T.

    P.S.: Asking my one (Northrine-Westphalia) about my USQ degree, they told me that the name of the university in brackets is enough, and no country abbreviation on top would be necessary - i.e. John Doe, MBA (USQ)
     

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