If Wyoming gets tough, where will Kennedy-Western go? A poll (with a prize)

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If Wyoming seems to be getting tough, where will Kennedy-Western end up?

  1. Wyoming. They'll find a loophole and stay put.

    15 vote(s)
    22.7%
  2. California. They'll apply for and get state approval.

    10 vote(s)
    15.2%
  3. Alabama. Still the easiest state, no signs of change.

    16 vote(s)
    24.2%
  4. Mississippi. Still easy, but may change.

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  5. Back to Hawaii. Still very weak laws.

    6 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. Oregon. Take [b][i]that[/i][/b], Alan Contreras.

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
  7. The Caribbean (Cayman, St. Kitts, Virgins, etc.)

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  8. Denmark, just down the road from, well, whatever.

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
  9. Wild card. The entire rest of the world.

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  10. Oblivion. They'll simply close down, in a fit of pique.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    As Bear and Bear report in later editions of the BG, the state entered into an agreement with Indiana Northern to drop their use of the title "University" (becoming Indiana Northern Graduate School of Management) and to drop their doctoral programs. They eventually began holding classes in a local motel or hotel, but the thrill was gone. The school died with "Bishop" da Costa (or soon afterwards).

    "Bishop" da Costa was also the originator of a fake accrediting agency, the Accrediting Commission for Specialized Colleges. A Dr. Reuter spun off the IAC, which when shut down by authorities immediately re-appeared across state lines as the ACI, where it continues to this day (in Beebe, Arkansas).
     
  2. bing

    bing New Member

    Oh, and didn't Crews, Columbia Pacific University, have his PhD from Harvard? He's likely been gone a long time now(or even dead for all i know) but he was one of the founding fathers of that school. It certainly seemed to be quite innovative for it's time. It never emerged. A good example of evolution is CalCoast, though. They rose out of the bog to become DETC.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Harvard? Yes. Ph.D.? No. Dick Crews is a medical doctor, earning his MD at Harvard. Not dead; retired. (Texas, IIRC.) He and Les Carr owned it. From what I gathered, Crews was more "head of state" and Carr more "head of government." I suspect CPU made them both wealthy.

    I don't know what "it never emerged" means. I guess emerging to become accredited? It was innovative, but it was also too lax at times. I'm convinced that CPU was shut down primarily for political, not educative, reasons. (Not to say CPU was beyond reproach, just that it wasn't as bad as some very bad schools that remain to this day.)
     
  4. bing

    bing New Member

    Right. Crews had some interesting ideas on herbal medicine and holistic type medicine.

    Never emerged...into an accredited institution that is.

    Bing

     
  5. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Crews is indeed retired and living happily in rural Texas. We communicate often, mostly about linguistics. He is both a psychiatrist (for the military for quite a few years) and a homeopathic physician (and I bet there aren't too many Harvard MDs who do that). He often said that he had no idea of why it worked, but he was convinced it did, and that was good enough for him. (He also made up the wonderful joke: Did you hear about the man who forgot to take his homeopathic remedy? He died of an overdose.

    Carr is also alive and well and apparently involved in running Columbia Commonwealth University of Wyoming from his home in California's gold country.

    Under Crews' presidency, Columbia Pacific at one time had the former presidents of three regonally accredited universities full-time on staff (Carr -- Lewis University and New College), Bob Engbretson (Western Illinois) and Art Blum (Point Park). I suspect few universities of any sort could make such a claim.
     
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    Bing:
    It did submerge however into the thoroughly ridiculous IUAS.
     
  8. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

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    IUAS

    What a silly school that was! I wonder if they ever had any students?
     
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  11. xgoddessx

    xgoddessx New Member

    Looks like Kennedy Western will be tweaking their marketing copy slightly. The state of Wyoming is asking Kennedy Western to note that they are NOT regionally accredited wherever they refer to being state-licensed. It seems that KWU prefers to eliminate the reference to their license instead.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This is wonderful news. KWU is as successful as they are in part because they are very practiced at "dancing" around the accreditation issue. I guess that they're going to have to come up with a new dance now.
     
  13. Kaboom

    Kaboom New Member

    I predict that KWU will move to the Great State of Mississippi and change their name to Kennedy- Southern University (KSU).
     
  14. Robbie

    Robbie New Member

    California should mandate that KWU go through the approval process like any other school operating in that state. It is obvious that KWU is dancing around. They are only using Wyoming for the "Licensure" issue, which is weak. I do question why a school is licensed in one state and operating in another. ????????????
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This is one of the more reliable signs that the institution may be a diploma mill, which KWU is, at least in my opinion.
     
  16. AuditGuy

    AuditGuy Member

    At least they are nice enought to offer $300 towards plane tickets upon graduation to your choice of California or Wyoming for the graduation ceremony.
     
  17. eckert16

    eckert16 New Member

    They will do Wyoming.
     

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