Trying to get a reasonable focus? More Info on CCU?

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  1. WalterRogers

    WalterRogers member

    Agreed!

    It is an accredited Australian University and it will be more accepted that a degree from CCU or a virtual university like North Central.
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  2. Gary Rients

    Gary Rients New Member

    I presume that these questions can answered with a single word: "tenure"
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If the poster is considering an unaccredited degree, and she considers CCU a viable option for her, the CPU is as well. Personally, I doubt either degree will do for her what she wants, but that's for her to decide.

    As for your opinion, sure, share it. It reflects upon you alone.

    (I think anonymous posters suck.)

    Rich Douglas
     
  4. qjackson

    qjackson New Member

    How about this... ask the college at which you are a teacher if they would recognize the degree. Get them to say so in writing.

    Then, say, "Do you realize, if a certain possie of DL enthusiasts ever find out about this, you will be getting emails asking to have my title Dr. removed from listing?"

    They may ask to see your final dissertation.

    If they say, "Yes, we understand and we'll just ignore them" then get them to state that in writing, with a promise that they won't remove your title when the regulars here get on their case.

    If you can do that -- then you're set.

    If not....



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  5. Paul

    Paul New Member

     
  6. Paul

    Paul New Member

     
  7. KidDL

    KidDL member

    (I think anonymous posters suck.)

    Rich Douglas

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    And of course this comment reflects on you sir.
     
  8. KidDL

    KidDL member

    And isn't this a sad state of affairs? This is why people like anonimity on this board. There are some posters who consider a DETC earned degree the same as a "fake degree". I agree with your point here Quinn, because for someone just popping into this forum, they do not realize how an innocent question may lead to problems in the future.
     
  9. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Quote from Quinn Jackson
    "If they say, "Yes, we understand and we'll just ignore them" then get them to state that in writing, with a promise that they won't remove your title when the regulars here get on their case.
    If you can do that -- then you're set."

    Response
    Yep she is set. Set for a lifetime of defending a substandard unaccredited degree that would NOT be accepted in the country it is from.

    Quote from Kiddl
    "(I think anonymous posters suck.)
    Rich Douglas
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    And of course this comment reflects on you sir."

    Response
    It is safe to say half or more of the anonymous posters are degree mill operators and people trying to pass off these things as degrees. Rich is of coarse right on target to be wary of these posts.

    Quote from Kiddl
    "This is why people like anonimity on this board. There are some posters who consider a DETC earned degree the same as a "fake degree"."

    Response
    No one I know on this board considers a DETC accredited degree to be "fake". I think most if not all realize that is a substandard accreditation when applied to university degrees and posses much less utility than a RA degree.



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    Best Regards,
    Dave Hayden
     
  10. KidDL

    KidDL member

    Quote from Kiddl
    "(I think anonymous posters suck.)
    Rich Douglas
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    And of course this comment reflects on you sir."

    Response
    It is safe to say half or more of the anonymous posters are degree mill operators and people trying to pass off these things as degrees. Rich is of coarse right on target to be wary of these posts.

    DLKID RESPONSE:

    It's the internet and people have a right to privacy. What possible reason would you need to know my name, location, etc? Frankly, it is none of your concern or anyone elses. If you chose to label me as a diploma mill person, so be it.

    Quote from Kiddl
    "This is why people like anonimity on this board. There are some posters who consider a DETC earned degree the same as a "fake degree"."

    Response
    No one I know on this board considers a DETC accredited degree to be "fake". I think most if not all realize that is a substandard accreditation when applied to university degrees and posses much less utility than a RA degree.

    DLKID RESPONSE:

    This is pure rubbish. I have never had an employer deny employment based on my DETC earned degree. The military paid the bulk of my education and if it was good enough for them it's good enough for me. I have found plenty of utility for my degree.

    As for DETC accredidation being substandard - that is your opinnion and I honestly respect it - I just do not agree.

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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member



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  12. KidDL

    KidDL member

    Thank you for spelling out my entitlements and incidentially, you are entitled to be "wrong" as well.

    Speaking of "wrong" I know my commanding officer was also "wrong" for holding a DETC earned degree and giving my platoon orders. The government was "wrong" for paying for my DETC education while in the military. My employer must be "wrong" for employing me because of substandard accreditation and of course, education. The US Department of Education is wrong now too, for giving a nod to the DETC for accrediting professional degrees (JD).

    It was recently posted that some RA Law Schools schools are allowing people with UNACCREDITED degrees into their LLM programs - they are wrong too.

    If someone earns a DETC degree and it fits their life goals, needs and desires, what's the problem? Not everyone wants to teach, and not everyone wants to go on to earn a Masters Degree or PhD. Arn't you painting with a rather wide brush here?
     
  13. KidDL

    KidDL member

    It's the internet and people have a right to privacy. What possible reason would you need to know my name, location, etc? Frankly, it is none of your concern or anyone elses. If you chose to label me as a diploma mill person, so be it.

    You can be as anonymous as you want. But it renders your opinions moot.

    DLKID RESPONSE:

    If they were "moot" as you stated, you would not have responsed to the post. Some people have reasons for not disclosing their identity, and it has nothing to do with trying to "get over" on someone else. People have a right to privacy and I am sorry you have chosen to discount someone who chooeses to excersise this option.
     
  14. KarenBlotnicky

    KarenBlotnicky New Member

    Re: Bill's Comment -
    Let me get this straight. You are not willing to return to Lancaster or to another
    similar doctoral program because of the amount of work that would be involved
    with a new dissertation advisor. But you are confident that starting a whole new
    doctoral program at Cal

    Coast "would not be a problem to complete".

    Doesn't
    that suggest something?


    Just a follow-up re: this commentary:

    I have recontacted Lancaster and I was invited to reapply. I had a very pleasant series of emails with my previous advisor. I submitted a preliminary proposal for faculty consideration,but I was advised that no one in the department was conducting research in that area of the discipline. However, I was referred to Aston University (also UK). The faculty at Aston reads as a who's who in the area in which I am working. I emailed them as well, but I am still awaiting their reply.

    And, based on what I have been hearing, I will pass over any non-RA schools. I have a colleague who is currently doing a DBA at USQ (Australia). I was just hoping to find something closer to home (eg: US vs. UK).

    I would prefer DL at this point because it would fit easier into my lifestyle. There is one local Ph.D. programme, however, it only began admitting students last year. It is also pricey (about $32,000 Can. over 4 years). I haven't ruled it out though. The only limitation for me is that I already have two degrees from that very institution. Usually, more strength comes from doing the terminal qualificatio somewhere else. Unfortunately, we have absolutely no other business doctorates among the 8 or so campuses in the local area. Crazy huh?

    Thanks for the advice. And, I don't mind the anonymous posts. Some are informative, others are entertaining, and some are both.

    If the anonymous posters are from degree mills, they are not gaining any ground here!

    Karen B [​IMG]
     
  15. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    Originally posted by KidDL:


    DLKID RESPONSE:

    It's the internet and people have a right to privacy.


    Actually, you have no expectations of rights to privacy if you're posting on a private forum, unless that forum extends the privacy rights as a privilege granted to its visitor/users.

    At the moment, degreeinfo does not require posters to provide their real names during registration. However, we could, if we chose, require anyone wishing to participate here to provide verification of their identity. Of course, you would not be obligated to identify yourself, but if you chose not to, and our policy required it, then we could choose to not allow you to post.


    What possible reason would you need to know my name, location, etc? Frankly, it is none of your concern or anyone elses. If you chose to label me as a diploma mill person, so be it.


    This argument has been put forth, ad nauseum, on a.e.d., almost always by shills for diploma mills or trolls simply seeking to cause trouble. On a.e.d., trolls and shills are a way of life. Here, it's different.

    When people are seeking information to make important, sometimes life-changing decisions about their careers, the stakes are higher, and the need or desire to be able to verify someone's credentials or claims when she or he is offering advice is reasonable in most people's eyes.

    The result is that posters who identify themselves and, therefore, permit their credentials and knowledge to be verified are taken seriously by the regulars here. The folks that trumpet their unwillingness to identify themselves are discounted as cranks, shills, trolls, or -- at the very least -- people whose claims and credentials can't be verified and therefore may not be credible.


    "This is why people like anonimity on this board. There are some posters who consider a DETC earned degree the same as a "fake degree"."


    "People", in this case, refers to you and a tiny handful of others. (and by the way, the admins *do* know who you are.)



    Response
    No one I know on this board considers a DETC accredited degree to be "fake". I think most if not all realize that is a substandard accreditation when applied to university degrees and posses much less utility than a RA degree.

    DLKID RESPONSE:

    This is pure rubbish. I have never had an employer deny employment based on my DETC earned degree.


    And based on your very limited anecdotal data, we are supposed to draw a generalization that no employers differentiate between DETC and RA degrees? Sorry, your logic and deductive reasoning skills fall far short.


    The military paid the bulk of my education and if it was good enough for them it's good enough for me. I have found plenty of utility for my degree.


    The military and Federal government paid for a bunch of Columbia State degrees as well... a school shut down for being one of the worst diploma mills in history. So much for that argument.

    I'm not disputing that your DETC degree is legitimate, or that it has served you reasonably well. But there is an abundance of evidence that DETC degrees are considerably more limiting than RA degrees. Your limited anecdotal experience doesn't refute the evidence. If you were familiar with research methods and statistics, you would know that.


    As for DETC accredidation being substandard - that is your opinnion and I honestly respect it - I just do not agree.


    Hmmmm. Well, it isn't opinnion (sic), but documented fact that only 47% of regionally accredited schools will "usually" or "sometimes" accept DETC degrees for advanced standing (If I'm remembering John and Rich's data correctly.) Whatever the exact number is, it's solid, factual evidence that a DETC degree does not have anywhere near the same level of acceptance as an RA degree. So, in that regard, we're talking about fact rather than opinion.

    Nonetheless, if you choose to believe that a DETC degree is as good as an RA degree, that's certainly your choice... but if you try to argue that opinion here, you'll always be met by someone else posting the facts... because our goal here is to help people make the best, most informed decisions they can.
     
  16. Ee

    Ee New Member

    **** Can I conclude that accreditation is not the right term to use. It should be RA degree not accredited degree. Hence, the best informed decision is to obtain a RA degree not an accredited degree in USA.
     
  17. Frangop

    Frangop New Member

    I think that "recognition" is the key issue here.

    Indeed, if the college does recognise CCU, there should be no problem.

    CFr
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Best? Sure. But it might be "best" to earn a degree from an Ivy League school, too. In the other direction, a degree from a DETC-accredited school may be good enough. So might one from an unaccredited school. Further, a diploma from a degree mill could suffice, as could one you print up on your computer. Where do you draw the line?

    While DETC accreditation is less valuable than RA, it is still legitimate accreditation. The problem is that not all universities in the U.S. accept these degrees. That is no one's opinion; it is demonstrated fact. As my analysis of the data showed, the acceptability of DETC-accredited (and other nationally-accredited) degrees is significantly lower than:

    RA with some residency
    RA with no residency
    Listing in Commonwealth Universities Yearbook
    Listing in PIER World Education Series
    Listing in the International Handbook of Universities
    Evaluated by a degree evaluation service.

    However, national accreditation was significantly higher than all of the non-GAAP categories.

    The difference between state-approved schools from states with lax standards and those from states with fairly rigorous standards was not significant, except that both were significantly lower than all of the GAAP categories. All of the non-GAAP categories (state approved, Caribbean, unrecognized accreditation, private Euro accreditation, etc.) were dismal in their acceptance.

    The results were clear: GAAP describes what is going out there. IHU is lower than the rest for foreign schools, while national accreditation is considerably less acceptable than RA.

    Rich Douglas
     
  19. KidDL

    KidDL member

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    KIDDL RESPONSE:

    What can I say Chip - I guess you put me in my place and basically as the board administrator spoke your mind. Thank you so much for your superior mind and intellect - I know you are truly gifted.

    I will wait to see of someone mentions DETC education again and when they do, I will share my experience. Will I get bashed? Probably. Do I care? NO.
     
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    No one has suggested that DETC degrees are fake, or that they aren't useful for some people. One of my favorite DL schools (American Military University) is DETC accredited.

    BUT...it's been proven that DETC degrees have less acceptability than RA degrees, especially in academia. I'm not saying that's good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. Complaining about it and copping an attitude won't change things a whit.


    Bruce
     

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