California Pacific University

Actually, earning an unaccredited degree might increase one's competence and not lessen it.

Dave

 

I agree, but it is matter of image. I know of some people in my company that would love to use this kind of information from some to do some damage.

In the real world it is not just matter of knowledge but also image. As professional consultant, my competitor can use my unaccredited degree to attack me in front of a prospect customer.

I might have an MBA from harvard, but my competitor is going to tell my prospect customer that my DBA was gained from a unaccredited institution that adverstises in an airplane magazine to damage my credibility. In the consultancy business, you have to show good credentials to gain customer confidence.

My point is that I rather show a bachelors degree from a reputable institution than a PhD from an unaccredited institution as a consultant.

Here you have experienced a small sample of what people think about unaccredited degrees, the few people that defend them are always people that hold such degrees so therefore are biased. But it would be interested to conduct a study of a perception of an unaccredited degree from the marketing point of view, would it really increase your marketing potential? or would it damage your image if the prospect customer finds out about the origin of the degree. My guess is that if in this forum most of the people is against it, it would have a similar reaction for the general public.

 

Who knows more about business? The Harvard MBA that earned a California Coast DBA or the mud-slinging, scurvy competitor? Let the client decide. I suspect the client will chose the consultant who is most competent and also didn't disparage their competition...

Dave

 

So, RA degree holders are not BIAS?, then what you call a State Approved and RA degree holder?

Another thing you can notice from state approved degree holders, most of them are entrepreneur. And do quite well!, so is not the degree is the holder of the degree. Then again is where you put your credentials and how, and most important is who you know.

 

If a person is incompetent will be with or without the degree period. The issues will rise to stain someone. If you look a politician campaigns most of them good lawyers from RA schools, they go for what they have done wrong in their field or in general, example: Bill Clinton. So in other words they would have to find something to label you incompetence.

 

Degreeinfo.com Not a Generalizable Sample

Hi. I just had to comment on this... While we do have some experts in this forum, we do have a considerable number of, shall we say..., non-experts. Generally, the advice given about staying away from bogus schools is great. On the other hand, the approach regarding to how to select schools for the whole range of human needs and motivations is often of limited utility, and, frankly, sometimes dead wrong. The libertarian within cries, "Do and let do!"

Good or bad advice notwithstanding, I sincerely doubt that the survey results from a sample drawn from this population would be projectable or even useful in drawing inferences about hiring managers or the the public at large. This lack of generalizability or external validity is due to the rarified air -- some of the air is so rarified that comes from stuff that can't be legally bought in most places outside Amsterdam. ;-) Does everyone here smoke dope though? Well, no and certainly not me. And, by the way, you can always believe me... Did I mention that I never lie?

Dave

 

A couple of updates to this info...

Evidently, the comprehensive examination was made an optional feature for those wishing to have it on their transcript. No other CA State-approved school was requiring it, so this is the reason for the change. Telephone and written correspondence seems to be extensive enough for the student's identity to be confirmed by faculty.

It seems that Dr. Cynthia Dalton is Dr. N.C. Dalton's daughter and not wife. I would suppose this is prudent succession planning to keep the school moving forward into the future.

There was one other issue raised: there are no fixed semesters or quarters and degree programs can start at any time. The courses are directed study, so they start and end whenever the student desires.

FYI,

Dave

 

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I agree whole heartedly that on occasion there is some poor advice dispensed . Almost invariably, it comes from supporters of questionable schools. With the low cost and flexible RA programs available it seems silly to consider CCU, CPU, K-W and the like. It is a choice that can only come back to hurt a student and their reputation.

 

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Is this exception fallacy or ecological fallacy? Any thoughts?
(http://trochim.human.cornell.edu/kb/fallacy.htm)

Dave

 

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It is neither. The unpalatable (to some) reality is that it is not a fallacy at all; quite the contrary, it is a truism.

 

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Declared truism by fiat?

Dave

 

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Egad! First you exhibit a clear misunderstanding as to what founds a fallacy; now you dispel all doubt as to your cognition of what constitutes a truism (or, for that matter, fiat).

 

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Stunning ad hominem attack! Wow, how can I go on? ;-) Would you care to explain research fallacy to me?

Dave

 

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Except that it wasn't ad hominem. Gus' comment was directed at the point of discussion, of which you are party. He didn't "attack the person" but, rather, what the person said.

 

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"...you exhibit a clear misunderstanding..."
"...you dispel all doubt..."

Dave

 

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I humbly admit that I am not familiar with the term “Research Fallacy.”

I would be glad, however to help you with Fallacies of Distraction, such as False Dilemma, From Ignorance, Slippery Slope, and Complex Question. I can also assist you with Appeals To Motives In Place Of Support Fallacies such as Appeal To Force, Appeal To Pity, Consequences, Prejudicial Language, and Popularity.

I am also familiar with several Changing The Subject Fallacies, such as Attacking The Person (on which you seem a tad unclear) in which the person's character is attacked, the person's circumstances are noted, or the person does not practice what is preached. Other Changing The Subject Fallacies include Appeal to Authority, Anonymous Authority, and Style Over Substance.

I am sure you are familiar with the many Inductive Fallacies such as Hasty Generalization, Unrepresentative Sample, False Analogy, Slothful Induction, and Fallacy of Exclusion, as they are covered in most English Composition courses. Please let me know, however, if you need help with the Fallacies Involving Statistical Syllogisms, such as, Accident and Converse Accident. If need be, I can also aid you with Causal Fallacies such as Post Hoc, Joint Effect, Insignificant, Wrong Direction, Complex Cause, or Missing the Point Fallacies such as Begging the Question, Irrelevant Conclusion, or Straw Man.

I am familiar with the Fallacies of Ambiguity, such as, Equivocation, Amphiboly, and Accent, as well as Category Errors such as, Composition and Division, but it is possible that Non Sequiturs are more your cup of tea. If so, I can help you with Affirming the Consequent, Denying the Antecedent, and Inconsistency.

Perhaps I can shed some light on Syllogistic Errors, such as, Fallacy of Four Terms, Undistributed Middle, Illicit Major, Illicit Minor, Fallacy of Exclusive Premises, Fallacy of Drawing an Affirmative Conclusion From a Negative Premise, or Existential Fallacy, unless, of course, you seek a better discernment of the Fallacies of Explanation. If so, I can explain Subverted Support, Non-support, Untestability, Limited Scope, and Limited Depth.

If your needs tend towards a better understanding of the Fallacies of Definition, such as, Too Broad, Too Narrow, Failure to Elucidate, Circular Definition, or Conflicting Conditions, I’ll be glad to render assistance.

I cannot, however, help you with “Research Fallacy,” as I am not familiar with the term. Please accept my apologies.

 

I think in my case "research fallacy" is when my promoter faxes back my submitted chapter with "ha ha ha ha ha" written on it!

 

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No problemo...

By the way, I noticed that Touro University International has three new BSBA concentrations for your web page:

· Public Management
· Human Resources Management
· Logistics Management

Thanks for maintaining this valuable resource. Really.

Dave

 

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My thought is that Dave Wagner's question suggests what is sometimes called the "Black or White fallacy", in which we are told to choose from two alternatives, while other possibilities are ignored.

Another thought is that a more direct approach is needed. If Dave Wagner disagrees with Dave Hayden's remark, perhaps the rest of us should simply be told why, rather than told to guess.