Should ODA midify the writeup for Universitas 21

UJ

There is no double talk, its your invention and another misrepresentation of what I have to say.

I difrentiate between legitimacy and quality.

There is a wide range of education providers, some are berely legal
others very strong and leggitimate, accredited etc, and yes there are mills as well.

You can't expect a person to categorize the schools in black or white, even today there are still some officials that call UoP
Diploma Mill, so in their view if you shill for UoP it will make you a shill.

There are many other instances.

Learner

 

Of course, there is no requirement that you tell me anything. I've said that I think that you are MosheW. You say that you are not but won't say what your screen name was back on aed. You have the opportunity to prove that I'm wrong and you won't take it. People will draw their own conclusions and that's OK with me. You see, you are not withholding the information from me, you are withholding the information from everyone. The obvious conclusion is that I am correct and you have no other name to which you can point. Everyone knows this. So you can say that you are withholding the information because I have no right to it but who will believe that this is the case? No one.

You are correct when you say that I am not your friend but you need not fear what I will say next week, it will be just five words:

Do not feed the troll.

See you then.
Jack

 

And when you that you will perform unjuste act.

my posting here is not to fight but to discuss intelegently issues related to accredited, unaccredited, unknown, diploma mills and other interesting related issues.

Hope it feels good to you when you spread lies about me, once you realise you were wrong and this day will come, I do think based on what have seen you will post the real thing.
untill that time its sad and unpleasant.

Learner

 

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I don't think I ever replied to this thread on Universitas 21. The reason we posted them to our web site is that we had an inquiry from someone who was confused because they call themselves a university, when in fact they issue no degrees.

We checked with the British government, which says that U21 does not have the legal authority to issue degrees and cannot legally call itself a university under British law. It is apparently incorporated on the Channel Islands, which technically do not fall under that law.

We will look at the wording to see if it can be changed. Frankly, we are concerned that an entity without the legal authority to issue degrees from any government or accrediting body, anywhere, would call itself a university. U21 is really a consortium or a joint marketing effort, not a university. It is more like the Claremont group in California or some other closely related set of separately accredited schools.

 

It is some time since I looked into this, but I am sure U21 has degree granting authority from the MOE in Singapore. And, as you rightly suggest, U21 is a conglomerate of GAAP institutions using economies of scale to promote and deliver coursework postgraduate programs. I personally do not think U21 misleads, but to the layperson, maybe some clarification is required.

Cheers,

George

 

Hi George. As of 2004, Singapore did not list U21. I will check again with UK and see if anyone authorizes them to issue degrees in their own name.

 

They must have just incorporated their U21 Pedagogica QA body there then. I'm pretty sure they don't have degree granting authority in any other jursidiction, and never needed to. I would love to see a copy of a U21 parchment - I wonder how many logos are on it.

Cheers,

George

 

The "Universitas 21 Global" site claims that:

I don't know whether such registration amounts to degree-granting authority.

Note that "Universitas 21" is not the same thing as "Universitas 21 Global". The former entity is a network of 17 universities, which apparently does not grant degrees (although the individual member universities do, of course, grant degrees). But the latter entity is a "joint venture" of the Universitas 21 Network and Thomson Learning, and it apparently does grant online graduate degrees, as per the following:

 

It appears that Universitas 21 Global is in fact registered with the Singapore Ministry of Education as a "Distance Learning Programme". Universitas 21 Global's MBA programme is included in the official "U-Z" list here.

But...is such "registration" equivalent to Singapore accreditation ? Well, apparently not. The Singapore MOE says the following:

 

Incidentally, the Singapore Civil Service apparently regards regional accreditation or DETC accreditation as the minimum standards for US college degrees.