Dr Neil Hayes' Birthday!

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Gratefully, there are plenty of people who realize that faith in religion (even Christianity) and the fact of evolution co-exist quite comfortably. Evolution no more addresses the truthfullness of faith than does gravity.
     
  2. jon porter

    jon porter New Member

    After Glasgow University (which he entered at 15) Adam Smith won a Snell Exhibition to Balliol College, Oxford, where he stayed for 7 years. Was awarded the LL.D. by Glasgow shortly before he resigned his professorship.

    "Smith's name does not appear in Bliss's list of Oxford graduates, and although in Mr. Foster's recent Alumni Oxonienses other particulars are given about him, no mention is made of his graduation; but Professor Rogers has discovered evidence in the Buttery Books of Balliol which seems conclusively to prove that Smith actually took the degree of B.A., whatever may be the explanation of the apparent omission of his name from the official graduation records. In those Buttery Books he is always styled Dominus from and after the week ending 13th April 1744. Now Dominus was the usual designation of B.A., and in April 1744 Smith would have kept the sixteen terms that were then, we may say, the only qualification practically necessary for that degree. He had possibly omitted some step requisite for the formal completion of the graduation."
    -- Life of Adam Smith by John Rae. Macmillan and Co. London, First edition, 1895. First published: 1895.
    Online here.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I notice in Jamesville that the degree mill promoters are all up in arms because I suggested the New Zealand media might be interested in someone receiving a QSM while claiming two fake doctorates. It's a hoot!:D

    (NB: I don't really know the NZ media's level of interest in such things, nor do I intend to find out. What do I care?)

    Oh, and they continue to lie about the details surrounding anything about me (my doctoral program, my committee, my career, etc.) they can. Stupid.:rolleyes:
     
  4. adamsmith

    adamsmith member

    The information given about Adam Smith's degree is of interest. He was made a professor of a university without a degree (he had theoretically earned a BA but failed to be awarded due to a technicality) His LL.D. was only awarded at the end of his professorship. Earned or honorary?

    The point I was trying to make was in response to a comment that people without doctorates 'sometimes' make a similar contribution to knowledge to those witha doctorate. The fact is that some of the greatest contributions to knowledge have been made by those with little or no formal qualifications.

    This is no defense of Neil Hayes's qualifications. Neil should have followed in the steps of some of the 'greats' of old and let his contribution to knowledge stand alone on the basis of his contribution, rather than try and butter it up with a dubious doctorate/s.

    And the 'greats' are not just confined to yesteryears. Bill Gates is a good modern day example of a degreeless contributor to knowledge and the knowledge revolution.
     
  5. adamsmith

    adamsmith member

    And Rich, I can understand something of your reaction to Neil Hayes and his qualifications.

    Apart from anything else, I have seen you, your character and qualifications mercilessly debated and torn apart on this and other forums on a consistent basis.

    However, you can stand tall; all your degrees are earned from accredited schools, and all your involvements in unaccredited programs in the past appear to be genuine attempts to make a real contribution to the dissemination of knowledge. You got out when you felt uncomfortable about the direction or future of the schools, so what more can anyone ask?
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Well, this is as kind as it gets. Thanks!

    I don't mind it on this forum, where at least I can answer the inaccuracies. Jamesville conveniently avoids the truth, choosing instead to repeat many lies, hoping they'll sink in. But, really, who's listening? They just went over 100 members, and I've been a couple of those!

    There are less than a dozen active contributors, and only a couple using their real names. Only one--George Brown--also contributes regularly here. (Two, if you count Peter French.) And if you eliminate the Knightsbridge crew, you get an extremely quiet place, with its owner listening to the echoes of his own inanity. Sheesh!:rolleyes:
     
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  7. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Just so.

    Also, my birthday wishes to Hayes were genuine. I wanted to see if Hayes had the equipment to acknowledge them. He doesn't.

    PS. The duck in the famous picture was a compensated endorser.
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Anyone who posts on Degree Info knows Uncle Janko, whether we are always in agreement or not, is and always has been sincere in his postings.

    There is nothing fake or phony about Uncle Janko. He tells it like it is--no hypocrisy, no games, no shams.

    But I can understand Neil's hesitancy to post any acknowledgement of well wishes. He's perhaps "gun shy," since he has been constantly and viciously maligned by a self-appointed chosen few.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    What is his contribution to KNOWLEDGE? The idea of End User License Agreement?

    I mean, he IS one of the greatest buisnesspeople of our times, and he used to be a decent computer hacker, but "contribution to knowledge"?
     
  10. adamsmith

    adamsmith member

    Anyone who turns on their computer knows that Gates has revolutionized knowledge and information technology.

    Even the US government's attempts to destroy one of the world's most successful businesses has not broken his step or his spirit.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Pretty good, up until that point.

    Hayes hasn't been "visciously maligned" by anyone. No one has ever gone after him personally. But they've attacked his behavior, which has been consistent with someone who has purchased two fake degrees and has been both vocal and public about it.
     
  12. marilynd

    marilynd New Member

    A compensated endorser . . .

    Now I get it!

    It's a duck joke, right?

    :) :p :D

    marilynd
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Gee Rich, either hang him in effigy or get a Voodo doll and stick black pins in it. Either way, give it a rest!
     
  14. marilynd

    marilynd New Member

    No disagreement here. Preotul is a cool Carpathian dude . . . . :cool:

    Can't say the same here, however. Of couse, I cannot speak to postings which I have not read or of which I have not been a party, but generally, I would say, what you characterize as "viciously maligned" I would simply call "challenged." Perhaps there are others who have maligned him, but it certainly hasn't happened in this thread.

    And I take acception to the term "self-appointed few." By publicly claiming that he has an earned, legitimate PhD, Hayes has at the same time made a claim that his audience (i.e., those within hearing distance) agree that his "degree" is earned and legitimate. Otherwise, he would not make the claim. So, his claim is implicitly asking for a response. Silence is an affirmation of the claim. Those of us who are unwilling to enable Hayes in his academic fantasies are part of a dance he initiated. By making the claim, he has elicited our participation.

    I agree with you on one thing. Hayes must be gun-shy by now, but not for the reason you suggest.

    I am not quite sure that I understand, Rev. Clifton, why you have taken it upon yourself to be Hayes champion in this matter. "Maligned" implies that there is a certain justice to his position and so his responders have treated him unjustly. Do you think his Knightsbridge PhD is legitimate? If not, I'm not sure what the basis of your complaint is regarding this thread.

    marilynd
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The most damning thing that I've ever read regarding Knightsbridge University is Neil's very own description of how he "earned" their Ph.D.. This is followed very closely though by Gus when he copied to this forum Denmark's statement that KU could not legally bestow degrees.

    Perhaps some my argue with my ordering of "most damning" statements? The reason for that ordering is that I think that it is possible (but not likely) that Gus had contacted an official that didn't fully understand Denmark law and over stepped in making his statement to Gus. However, Neil would describe KU's actions in the most positive light possible and what he described indicated to me that KU operates as a diploma mill. So even if KU could grant legal degrees from Denmark (which I don't believe) it would still be a diploma mill by its own actions.
     
  16. marilynd

    marilynd New Member

    I seem to remember reading a news article of the Danish government's disavowal of Knightsbridge, although I can't put my finger on it at the moment.

    Also, the ODA makes the same statement regarding Denmark's disavowal. Was Gus their source?

    marilynd
     
  17. marilynd

    marilynd New Member

    This is from the Knightsbridge Web site, in response to the ODA:

    http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/oregon.html

    Of course, their position is that they do not need to have legal authority to award degrees. In which case, neither do you or I. Should we all, then, recognize our own self-awarded degrees as legitimate?

    Ipso facto--from the horse's mouth, as it were--Knightsbridge degrees are by definition illegitimate.

    marilynd
     
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi Marilyn,

    I have not taken up the position of being Hayes' champion. I don't think Knightsbridge is that great of a university. But I think the exceptional work Hayes does with the endangered duck should receive more commentary and publicity than where he received his degree, that's all.

    His dissertation is excellent. His work saving the lives of the Brown Teal should be highly commended.

    We discuss on this forum much about the evils and horrors in the world. Yet here comes along an individual who is actually doing something constructive to make the world a better place for all of us and all he gets, for the most part, is ridicule.

    Of course, I'm not very smart so what do I know?
     
  19. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    "Dr." Neil Hayes

    Why don't we just let this thread die? In just 50 or so weeks we can again resume ripping the great defender of the duck (or geese or something) "Dr." Neil Hayes as a birthday present. Who knows, maybe he'll have added another degree (and/or award) by then. :rolleyes:

    http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/
     
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