U. of Wyoming 3 Year Degrees OK

Thanks for the clarifications! This is almost as useful as the definition of "Bubble and Squeek"!

Actually, the M.St. is a particularly attactive program because it is largely D/L. Have you thought about doing it?

 

But nowhere near as tasty.

Ooops. Make that a total of 8. I'd completely forgotten about the MSt in International Human Rights Law.

However, after two years working for OUDCE developing online courses, my desire to have anything whatsoever to do with said courses (including the MSt) is extremely limited.

Angela

 

Did you get to meet Inspector Morse? (wink)

 

Being extremly pedantic, you should have said FOUR master's degrees, as the BCL is a Bachelor degree, even though it is a postgraduate degree.

The MA is a very REAL academic degree, although totally misunderstood by most people - as is the whole system at Oxford, Cambridge and TCD. Originally university education in these colleges was a 7 year course, starting at 15/16 with a few years very general education, and gradually specialising in subsequent years. After 4 years the degree of BA was awarded, but in the university this was not regarded as a *real* degree, but just marked the intermediate status - similar, I suppose to the completion of school today. The MA was regarded as the first *real* degree. As secondry schools took over the more general education, the age for university admission gradually rose, and the need for the early years of the course disappeared. However the statutes still say that the intermediate status of BA is awarded after 3 years (4 in TCD), and MA 7 years after initial matriculation. Most courses are completed in 3 years (4 in TCD), at which point the BA is awarded, and the student has to wait a further 4 years (3 in TCD) to become an MA. The ancient Scottish universities just skip the BA and award the MA at the end of 3/4 years. In the ancient university scheme of things, the MA marked the end of general education, and the student was then ready to begin study of specialist subjects - I think the three *higher* faculties were Divinity (BD), Law (BCL) and medicine (BM) - thus the BCL(bachelor) is the postgrad degree in law, and the MA is the primary degree...

P

 

I hate like the very devil to differ with you on this point, Rev, but even OXFORD claims in its web site that the B.C.L. is a taught Master's degree "despite its title".

But as I understand it, at one time ALL first post graduate degrees bore the title "bachelor", i.e. B.Litt. and B.D., and that the B.C.L. is one of the very few holdovers from that time. Soooo, I suppose that you are right after all!

Odd side note: There's a legend going around that the Master of Laws, LL.M., was invented at, of all places, Yale University. From there it has spread thoughout the legal education world.

 

OK, so go ahead and disclose. While you're at it you might disclose your own name. Why not go for broke and post your resume. Convince us that you're not just a blowhard.
Jack
(this troll is just a troll. don't take it seriously.)

 

Thanks Jack -- I guess it is the psychologist in me that gets riled up on "soft" racism. Oh well ... out of mind now.

peACE,

ACE

 

I don't think we have seen any racism on the board. I think people have been telling it like it is... and in my experiences working in this field that is about how it is.

When more people on the board get to be in fields where the feds label them as "shortage" then I would love to see the rest come and discuss their experiences more on the political forum.

What you should be more upset about is the complete shambles that the h-1b program is in. The intended purpose for it is to bring the cream of the crop in from the world. It is definitely not doing that. These people are just cheaper labor from the rest of the world and that's about it.

 

Hello Bing,

I am not sure if you read every post - I was referring to DL_MBA's quote of "eat some curry" and "clueless housewives" in regards to Indians. I never said that there is no problems with "fake degrees" or even outsourcing - I TRULY do not know about this and have nothing substantial to add to THAT discussion. I was just adding my comment about the aforementioned quotes.

So .. my "soft" racism quote goes towards the comments by DL_MBA not the content of the other posters.

peACE,
ACE

 

My apologies. I totally did not see that comment. That was a tasteless and uncalled for one to be sure. Besides, I do Indian food at least twice a month. I'll eat some curried chicken in gravy for him.

Oh, and the comment about housewives. I do have a story on that one. A guy that worked in my group last year has a wife. She cannot program one line of java(her husband is a test analyst). She took a job with an Indian firm, with a state contract at $19/hr(her cut), as a java developer. It was her first job ever here and her first job as a programmer. They got another guy from their company to prep her for a few hours. She walked into the state as a java programmer. It lasted about 4 months then they let most of the people go. In a large IT shop you can last a while before they figure you know nothing. In that time, you can get 4 mos experience on your resume then go to the next job.

Bing