Black Rednecks and White Liberals

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by AV8R, May 5, 2005.

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  1. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    Deb:

    You had me rolling on the floor and slapping my thighs with your post. Too funny!

    Ahhhh, the regrets of my life!

    My college sweetheart was a stunning, red-haired non-redneck gal. I was neither stunning nor red-haired. LOL.

    No surprise therefore, that I lost her to ..... you guessed it ....... another red-haired and quite burly redneck dude!

    They both went to law school and it is my fervent hope that their progeny do not become ...... you guessed it ..... red-haired rednecks!

    (At least the burly dude, despite his red-neckish disposition, had the good graces to know the importance of attending and graduating from all accredited schools - while eschewing unaccredited and unwonderful schools in red-neck and un-red-neck lands!)

    Ok, ok, .......

    We've heard about things that rednecks say and do and drive and look like, maybe even their lives, loves and careers.

    What about things that rednecks do NOT say or do?

    My faves are those presented by Suzanne Cook as listed, in part, here:

    Things You Would NEVER Hear A Redneck Say

    "I'll take Shakespeare for 1000, Alex.
    "Duct tape won't fix that.
    "Lisa Marie was lucky to catch Michael.
    "Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken.
    "We don't keep firearms in this house.
    "Has anybody seen the sideburns trimmer?
    "You can't feed that to the dog.
    "I thought Graceland was tacky.
    "No kids in the back of the pick-up; it's not safe.
    "Wrasslin's fake.
    "Honey, did you mail that donation to Greenpeace?
    "We're vegetarians.
    "Do you think my hair is too big?
    "I'll have grapefruit instead of biscuits and gravy.
    "Honey, do these Bonsai trees need watering?
    "Who's Richard Petty?
    "Give me the small bag of pork rinds.
    "Deer heads detract from the decor.
    "Spitting is such a nasty habit.
    "I just couldn't find a thing at Wal-Mart today.
    "Trim the fat off that steak.
    "Cappuccino tastes better than espresso.
    "The tires on that truck are too big.
    "I'll have the arugula and radicchio salad.
    "I"ve got it all on a floppy disk.
    "Unsweetened tea tastes better.
    "Would you like your fish poached or broiled?
    "My fiancee, Betty Jo, is registered at Tiffany's.
    "I've got two cases of Zima for the Super Bowl.
    "Little Debbie snack cakes have too many fat grams.
    "Checkmate.
    "She's too old to be wearing a bikini.
    "Does the salad bar have bean sprouts?
    "Hey, here's an episode of 'Hee Haw' that we haven't seen.
    "I don't have a favorite college team.
    "Be sure to bring my salad dressing on the side.
    "I believe you cooked those green beans too long.
    "Those shorts ought to be a little longer, Darla.
    "Elvis who?"

    ;)
     
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  2. Veteran101

    Veteran101 New Member

    Hey!! Who said that:D
     
  3. Deb

    Deb New Member

     
  4. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    I wouldn't characterize Plant City, the"Strawberry Capital of the Free World" (or something like that), as a "slice of redneck heaven." Until you get an hour or so north of Tampa, all you are dealing with are transplanted wannabes from up north. (often New York or New Jersey) Florida is an atypical Southern state until you cross that imaginary line that goes through Dixie and Alachua counties. North of that line you are in the Deep South, south of that line you are in a culturally distinct region with influences from Latin America, the Caribbean and the Northeastern U.S. with a small residual influence from native Floridians.
     
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Are You A Redneck Woman?

    Suelaine (and whomever else it may concern):

    Here are a few test questions to determine if you are a redneck woman.

    Do you think that you've never been the barbie doll type?

    Are you unable to swig that sweet champagne?

    Would you rather drink beer all night at a tavern or a honky-tonk or on a four-wheel-drive tailgate?

    Do you have pictures on your wall of Lynard Skynard, Kid Rock, and George Strait?

    Do you think you're not a high-class broad?

    Are you a product of your raising?

    Do you say "hey, yall" and "yee-haw"?

    Do people look down on you?

    Do you not give a rip?

    Do you stand bare-footed in your own front yard with a baby on your hip?

    Do you leave your Christmas lights on on your front porch all year long?

    Do you know all the words to every Charlie Daniels song?

    Do you know all the words to every Tanya Tucker song?
     
  6. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    It's so sad to see the direction this thread has taken... in largest measure because of the article's central point being so sorely missed, generally. And, because of it, we're missing an excellent opportunity to discuss a terribly important issue and debate that comedian/actor/educator Bill Cosby started almost exactly one year ago with his courageous remarks at an NAACP gala at Washington DC's Constitution Hall commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Brown vs. Board of Education decision. In the presence of NAACP President Kweisi Mfume and other African-American leaders -- many of whom were shocked and embarrassed by what they considered to be the inappropriateness of Cosby's candor; and are, therefore, the very persons at whom Dr. Sowell was directing some of his remarks in the aforementioned article -- the comedian took aim at blacks whom he said don't take responsibility for their economic status; who blame police for their incarcerations; and who proudly teach their kids ghetto-speak instead of proper English.

    "Ladies and gentlemen," Cosby said, "the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids... $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'

    "They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. ... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

    The next day, a Washington Post article described Cosby as having, further, targeted imprisoned blacks.

    "These are not political criminals," the Post wrote that Cosby said. "These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we run out and we are outraged, [saying] 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"

    Cosby has, subsequently, taken alot of heat for his remarks. But he has remained steadfast and unapologetic.

    Does not Dr. Sowell's treatise merely expand upon -- with the added benefit of addressing the historical matter of possible causation -- Cosby's salient points? If so -- or even if not -- why are we leaving this juicy opportunity for discussion, one way or the other, on the table?

    How is it that this august group has so sorely missed this golden opportunity for spirited -- and maybe even meaningful -- debate that AV8R has gifted to us and, instead, has chosen to turn it into the forum equivalent of retelling of the kind of white redneck jokes of the type that typically get faxed around among low-level office functionaries in dead-end jobs.

    Oy. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Re: Re: Black Rednecks and White Liberals

    Humm, because sometimes it's okay to have fun?

    Deb
     
  8. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Trust me, Tom, we have plenty of wannabes and plenty of the real item. We also still have some real crackers and real cowboys. Check out what is left of Arcadia if you want real of both kinds, and they are south of us. It's not north so much as just away from either coast. The center of the state is still old South.

    You left out the New York influence.
     
  9. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Re: Re: Re: Black Rednecks and White Liberals

    Well... um... okay... you've got me, there, I guess.

    Boy, is that ever true. A Northerner hasn't lived 'til he's been rebuked Florida Cracker style!
     
  10. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Re: Re: Black Rednecks and White Liberals

    One of the reasons we might not have a lot of discussion going here is that most of us agree, to some extent with Sowell and even more so with Cosby.

    As I said before "I object to his (Sowell) generalization of white liberals supporting things like "ebonics" and other BS like that. I am a liberal and solidly support good English and a strong education."

    One thing to consider is that Cosby and Sowell are disagreeing on one very important part of the issue; Cosby doesn't believe that white liberals are responisble for keeping black people in poverty - they are doing it to themselves and using culture as an excuse.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think that Dr. Cosby's view is a little more nuanced than his critics would have us believe.

    I don't think for a moment that Dr. Cosby is unacquainted with malignant racism. I do think that he is angry with black parents and students who use the reality of white racism as an excuse not to do even those things to better their lot that are within their power to do.

    I also don't think Dr. Cosby is "letting white folks off the hook", rather, I suspect that he's not talking about white racism because there is nothing to be gained by talking to his particular audience about white racism. Black people can do essentially NOTHING about white racist attitudes. But they can do quite a lot, I think he's saying, about their OWN attitudes and actions. And he finds it utterly unacceptable that they aren't DOING it!
     

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