Distance Bachelors Degrees in Electronics

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  1. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

  2. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Hi Laser - Nice listing. It's great that people are creating these websites. Electronics is not my area but please check out this program as a potential addition to your list.
    http:www.une.edu.au/online
    They offer a Bachelors program in Electronics and I believe it's 100% DL.
    Good work.
    Jack
     
  3. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    Thank You

    Thank you for posting a potential program. I could not find the webpage that indicates they have an electronics program. I found the following link which indicates they offer about 6 degrees online but not in the subject of electronics at the undergraduate level.

    http://online.une.edu.au/info/public/

    I will be happy to add it to my list if you could post the page that indicates they offer an electronic bachelors degree.

    Thank You for your help!

    Paul
     
  4. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    I think this is what you want. A Bachelor of Engineering Technology in Electronics Engineering Technology

    It isn't online though, although it can be taken by distance. Almost all of the courses offered by UNE can be taken by distance, although only some are offered online. Note that it is not ABET equivalent.

    One thing though:

     
  5. RKanarek

    RKanarek Member

  6. marcuscarey

    marcuscarey New Member

    The following is from Excelsior College website:

    https://www.excelsior.edu/portal/page?_pageid=57,76039&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

    Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology
    The Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology graduate is typically employed as an electronics technologist with responsibilities including product design and development, manufacturing, field engineering, systems supervision, and quality assurance.

    This degree program requires 124 semester hours of credit, including at least 60 credits in the arts and sciences component and at least 48 credits in the electronics engineering technology component. Flexibility in program design is possible by virtue of your choice of free electives.
     
  7. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The website poses the question: "Why doesn't the United States have quality distance undergraduate engineering programs like other countries?"

    After reviewing the list, the obvious response is "Where are these quality distance undergraduate engineering programs in other countries?"

    The list currently includes 12 US programs (not including the final three, which are inactive), plus two in the UK and one in Australia. The international list may be incomplete, but currently it seems like the US is well ahead.

    Furthermore, the three listed programs don't seem much different from their US equivalents.

    Sunderland - This is a fully online engineering technology degree. However, it is not fully accredited by UK engineering bodies; graduates are not eligible for CEng status. Similarly, fully online degrees in the US are not accredited by ABET, and graduates are not eligible for PE status.

    Central Queensland - This degree seems fully accredited in Australia. However, it requires on-campus residency for one course. Similarly, ABET grants accreditation to mostly-online programs that have minimal residency requirements.

    City & Guilds Institute - This program allows non-degreed engineers to qualify for IEng or CEng status by examination. Similarly, some US states (e.g. California) will allow non-degreed engineers to qualify for EIT or PE status by examination.
     
  8. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    To many to list.

    CalDog,

    The website is not a conclusive listing of international degrees. The article you are referring to indicates the United States is far behind other countries by showing only one program as fully ABET/EAC approved for distance undergraduate engineering degrees.

    The point is to illustrate that United States universities are considering other accreditation for distance engineering undergraduate education.
     
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  9. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Re: To many to list.

    Thanks for the response, but I still don't get it. An ABET/EAC-accredited bachelor's degree in the US is roughly equivalent to a CEng-accredited bachelor's degree in the UK. Perhaps I am missing them, but I don't see any distance CEng-accredited undergraduate degrees offered by UK schools. For example, Open University doesn't seem to have them, and they are probably the best-known provider of nontraditional degrees in the UK.

    It's certainly true that there are few ABET/EAC-accredited distance undergraduate degrees. But do other countries really do better? Where are the CEng-accredited distance undergraduate degrees?
     
  10. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    Out of context.

    The article I wrote was highlighting Australian distance education programs. If you talk about UK programs that is taking the focus of my document out of context.

    However, to answer your question you "may" be able to convert a US or Australian distance undergraduate engineering degree into an approved CEng program. The UK EC is the only engineering body that accredits degrees outside of their country.

    The University of Sunderland degree can be built on to become a CEng education. Most of the UK degrees provide a more stream-line avenue to become a CEng. In America the licensing board requires an additional 36 credit hours of study for ABET/TAC programs which is disproportional to the IEng -CEng route.

    The UK system has several systems like City and Guilds and the Higher National Diploma (HND) that allow distance learning to occur easyer.
     
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  11. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    Laser, is it a very difficult process to get a degree outside the UK accredited by this UK EC? Is there a lot of red tape, bureaucracy, etc,...? What would be the utility of such accreditation?



    Thanks in advance
     
  12. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    Utility

    Good Question, the utility would be to allow you to obtain a highly respected endorsement from a globally recognized engineering board and to also add an international flavor to your resume as having a world class education.
     
  13. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    CEng vs. PE

    OK, if I understand correctly, then there are *no* CEng-accredited distance undergraduate programs in the UK. However, it is still possible to become a CEng, at least with some engineering institutions, even if you pursue a non-CEng degree.

    But this doesn't seem too different from the US system. It is still possible to become a PE, at least in some states, even if you pursue a non-ABET/EAC degree.

    There is no single "licensing board" in the US. There are, instead, 50+ engineering licensing boards (one for each of the 50 states, plus the District of Columbia, plus associated jurisdictions like Puerto Rico and Guam). Each has different standards, just as different UK engineering institutions have different standards. There is also a national NCEES "Model Law", but this is just a theoretical example; it is not actually enforced anywhere.

    In practice, standards for ABET/TAC grads vary widely. Worst case is states like Kentucky, which will not allow ABET/TAC graduates to take the PE exam under any circumstances. However, most states will allow ABET/TAC grads to qualify as PEs without too much trouble. They typically just need more work experience than ABET/EAC grads.

    In California, for example, ABET/EAC grads need 2 years of documented work experience to qualify for the PE exam, while ABET/TAC grads need 4 years. That's the *only* difference; there is no requirement that ABET/TAC grads study for 36 additional credit hours. In fact, you can qualify for the PE exam in California with 6 years of documented experience, even if you have no formal engineering training of any kind.

    I would be curious to learn where the 36 credit hour requirement comes from. There may well be a state board that has such a requirement, but this would be unusual.
     
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  14. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    Thanks, Laser.

    Do you have anything in your page regarding the process of having one´s degree accredited by this UK EC? Any link to a fully explanatory web site?
     
  15. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    Cal Dog,

    I did not say that the UK didn't have a CEng approved distance undergraduate degree program. I simply do not know. I have not researched the UK system as much as Australia.

    Actually, because of the City & Guilds, HND, and other qualification programs, learning can take place anytime, anywhere, and at any level in the UK.

    JVL

    The website for registration is:
    http://www.engc.org.uk/registration/

    Click on "Engineering Institutions."

    1.) You will need to join an EC approved engineering institution as the first step in the process.

    2.) You will then need to apply for registration which requires a review. It usually takes two interviews to complete. You will also need to send your college transcripts to them and provide evidence of your work experience.


    This is a very quick overview there maybe more steps.
     
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  16. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    Thanks a lot, Laser100. Nice page, by the way.



    Regards
     

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