Northcentral EdD/PhD??

They only mention full-time, there is no mention that they are referring to part-time, thus you are making the assumption that this applies to part-time employment as well.

Yet again trying to twist the facts. I provide you with evidence, then you again make assumptions. The only thing we know is that employment is expected to grow much faster than avg., and a significant portion of these will be part-time positions. There is no wording in there that say part-time positions will be scarce as you put it, or only one class a week.

I never once stated that one could obtain a full-time position with an NCU doctorate. The poster was looking for part-time work, and I gave the opinion that I thought an adjunct position would be feasible. I simply mentioned the Full-time faculty that hold NCU PhD's as examples. If nothing else this could serve as an endorsement for NCU by those in academia that are currently teaching with these degrees.

 

I never once stated that there ARE many part-time community college opportunities available. Rather I said that the minimum requirement for those positions is a masters degree. I acknowledged that some positions may prefer a PhD. I don't have to prove an assumption that I never made, but that YOU made.:

My original post:
"I am basing this on the fact that many part-time positions at small colleges and community colleges only require a Masters degree to teach. For the positions that prefer a Ph.D. but don't require it, an NCU Ph.D. seems like a realistic option."

Your Response:
"Another assumption. Teaching positions at all levels of academia are becoming more scarce and competititive. Many individuals with doctorates are vying for community and four year college positions due to the glut of Ph.Ds in the job market. So it is important to be careful discriminating between what is "fact" versus your assumptions and opinions."


One would imply above that you were talking about part-time employment since you were responding to my post about part-time positions.

You implied that you were referring to part-time positions, since you never mentioned anything about full-time positions in your original post. And as you continue to deny this entire time we have been talking about PART-TIME positions, not full-time. You made the assumption that since I mentioned some tenured PhD holders earlier in this thread as examples that I was implying one could obtain a full-time position. I've already stated the reasons for this comment, so you are clearly the one making assumptions here.

Give it up. You can't win this argument. All your doing is coming up with assumptions and changing the facts in order to attack the reasons for which I gave my opinions.

I for one am done arguing with you. This isn't going any where. Unless you have anything constructive to add to the original posters inquiry, lets end this conversation at this.

 

Hello Armywife,

I have worked in higher ed for over 17 years and have served on hiring boards for full-time faculty, part-time faculty and administrators. I am currently an administrator in a state university.

Regarding your choice of a Northcentral doctorate for adjunct teaching purposes: It would do just fine, especially if you have your bachelors and masters from good schools. Northcentral would be a somewhat harder sell if you were looking for a full-time faculty position. Since it is a relatively new program, there are very few full-time tenure track faculty with NCU doctorates. i expect this to change in the future.

Regarding the degree title (Ed.D. vs. Ph.D.): it won't matter at all for your postion. The idea that the Ph.D. in education is a more "research" degree than the Ed.D. is pretty much a myth. I know hundreds of Ed.D. holders who are tenured faculty at colleges and universities. I have in my possession all of the major studies comparing the two degrees done in the past three decades and there has been no significant difference found between the two degrees.

Tony Pina
Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University

 

Your killing him Mr. Cooper. Don't stop!
BH

 

Re: Re: Northcentral EdD/PhD??

This is some very good advice!

 

I would continue, but I'm getting kind of bored with it to tell you the truth.

At least I'm the big enough man, that I can drop this argument. Unfortunately I can't say the same for our dear little friend Simon.

 

Simon asked: do you have a specialization in your Ed.D program? I read that the dissertation does not require an oral defense. Does the comprehensive examination require an oral defense? If not, this would shave off considerable time to complete this degree.

BTW, I believe that NCU's degree programs are awesome in that they are very flexible, do not require residencies, allow expeditious movement from one course to another and are not based on timeframes imposed by semesters and are priced right! Simon

Response: Simon, my Ed.D. specialization is Technology Management. I do not know yet what the detailed differences are between the Ph.D. and the Ed.D but I have been told that I can continue taking the preliminary courses and make up my mind a bit later.
--Sue