Northcentral EdD/PhD??

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Dr. Azuaje who is a member of this forum mentioned a while back that his NCU Ph.D. was indeed a factor in his promotion from instructor level to assistant professor at Our lady of the Lake University.
http://business.ollusa.edu/faculty/azuar/default.htm

Tenured faculty from Mountain state, Winona State, and Fordham U also hold NCU Ph.D.'s as well. I can't prove that they obtained their positions directly because of having their NCU degree. However, I do know for a fact that Winona State University requires a doctorate for full-time tenured positions.

I guess there is really no real way to know if all the thousands of professors out there that even obtained B&M Ph.D.s really got there job because of their Ph.d. or not. We can only assume.

I am basing this on the fact that many part-time positions at small colleges and community colleges only require a Masters degree to teach. For the positions that prefer a Ph.D. but don't require it, an NCU Ph.D. seems like a realistic option.

 

Dr. Schee only has an MBA from NCU. His Ph.D. appears to be from Univ of Connecticut.

 

I really don't think that a Nova Southeastern Ph.D. would give you any more of an advantage than an NCU Ph.D. They are both DL PhDs. It's kind of like comparing a school that is ranked 150th with one that is ranked 180th, neither are top schools, and will probably be viewed as roughly equal.

NCU is an excellent choice. While they haven't been around very long, they have built a good reputation thus far. They are in talks of further expanding their programs, and building a new campus. My guess is that they will soon be offering the option of short residencies in order to compete with the other DL schools.

Let us know how it goes, good luck.

 

True, but from lifelonglearner's thread,

"hmmm ... I did a search using google and could not find a single instance of a regular faculty member with a Northcentral degree. Plenty of folks with degrees from the different North Central University though. Some specific examples would be great..."

Dr. Schee does in fact hold an NCU degree and is a regular faculty member.

 

Dan,

It's wrong to suggest that all PhDs that are awarded by Nova Southeastern University are DL PhDs. No, they aren't. Some Nova PhDs are residency-only PhDs. In fact, there are more differences than similarities between Nova Southeastern and NCU. Here are a few of the differences that exist between Nova and NCU.

1. Whereas Nova is a not-for-profit university, NCU is a for-profit university
2. Whereas Nova is a brick & mortar university, NCU is a virtual university.
3. Whereas Nova has several residency-only doctoral programs, all NCU doctoral programs are DL programs.
4. Whereas Nova DL doctoral programs are short-residency programs; all NCU doctoral programs are 100% non-residency programs.
5. Whereas many of the Nova doctoral programs have relevant professional accreditation, no professional body has accredited any NCU program thus far.
6. Whereas Nova is a comprehensive university that offers program in Law, Medicine, Psychology, Pharmacy, Nursing, Business, Education, Computing Sciences, etc, NCU is a small DL school that offers degrees only in Business, Education, and Psychology.
7. Whereas Nova is a well-known university in Florida, the name NCU or Nothcentral University has never been heard of in my parts of Arizona.

Umm...if the misinformation posted by Dan Cooper is not corrected, it will be seen by some as a fact. No, it isn't.

Thanks.

 

To clarify, I was referring to Nova Southeastern's DL PhDs vs. NCU's PhD. Since the poster is looking for a DL PhD, and is deciding between Nova, NCU, and other DL PhDs, I obviously wouldn't be referring to their on-campus degrees. I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear about this.

It is not misinformation, I simply gave my opinion. Nova Southeastern is a bottom tier school, so is Northcentral. You can't change that. I personally don't think that a DL degree from a 4th tier school whether they have a B&M campus or not will give a person much advantage over a DL only school. And from many I have talked with in academia they agree.

 

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Wheres your evidence of this? Or is it just an Assumption?

My opinions were drawn from facts.

There are tenured faculty that hold NCU PhDs. This is a fact.

I gave one example of a person that was able to obtain a position in part because of his NCU PhD. This is a fact.

Many positions at community colleges, especially part-time ones only require a masters degree. Again this is a fact, go look at job postings. I only stated that if a position requires a masters degree but a PhD is prefered, than the NCU PhD is a realistic option. I don't think this is out of line saying this.

 

Mr Cooper,

The job market is very stiff. At the community college level it is quite keen. I am working on my PhD in history at the University of Houston and the chair of my dissertation committee stated" Guys, I hate to tell you this, but there are NO jobs out there". Now he maybe overstating it a bit, but he ask everyone in the class if they had backup plans. It is real. I am an adjunct at Tomball College( a local community college) and I am 10 th on the list of 25. I have been there since 2000. At UOP, there are jobs, but not full time. I am lucky I am teaching at least one class a semester at Devry, but I was told by the president that although Devry does hire people with masters degrees, if the 65/35 split is not met, they cant. (65 percent doctor/35 percent master). I have known this for a long time. Just my two cents. There is a glut of PhD's on the market. I have a friend of mine who has his PhD in history from the University of Leicester. He can't by a full time position. He is in the furniture business. There was a story in the Chronicle For Higher Education about a history PhD that is mowing lawns for a living. Call any history department in your area. They will tell you how bad it is. There was one position for a full time position at Tomball two years ago. 200 applications showed up. The evidence is there.

 

I'm not denying that there is a shortage of full-time positions.
But I believe this is what armywife intended to use her PhD for:

"I'm not looking to be full time faculty or make my career in academia. I just want to teach a class here and there either for distance learning schools or at the local commnity college in the Education department."

UofP is hiring adjuncts as you say, I would imagine that Devry would let her teach a class or two with a NCU PhD, and a part-time community college position isn't out of the question either.

I said that I thought she would do fine with a PhD from NCU for these reasons, and I get attacked for it. This I cannot figure out.

 

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Simon had posted that teaching positions at all levels of academia are becoming more scarce and competitive. Many individuals with doctorates are vying for community and four year college ( I am assuming he is referring to small schools) positions due to the glut of PhD's in the job market.Your response was Wheres your evidence of this? Or is this just an assumption. I am giving you evidence of this. It is true and out there for all to see. You are correct in your statement for armywife. I just wanted to clarify the evidence that is out there on few job opportunities for historians. I can only speak for that field. Just my other two cents...

 

Mr. Cooper wants evidence regarding the less than favorable prospects for holders of masters degrees for teaching positions in two year colleges, so here it is from the 2004-5 Occupational Outlook Handbook published by the U.S. Department of labor:

In regard to teaching at the two year college level, the handbook, under the rubric "Training, other qualifications and Advancement," indicates that masters degrees are required for these teaching positions but notes " ...with increasing competition for available jobs, institutions can be more selective in their hiring practices". It concludes by noting "In addition, with greater competition for jobs, masters degree holders may find it increasingly difficult to obtain employment as they are passed over in favor of candidates holding a Ph.D."

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm

 

Dan,

Nobody has attacked you or your posts thus far. What some posters seem to be suggesting is that you are trying to present your personal opinions as waterproof facts. You have requested others in this thread to present proofs but I think that you are the one that should backup your assertions with evidence.

Thanks.

 

That paragraph was in reference to full-time positions:

"In 2-year colleges, master’s degree holders fill most full-time positions."

This entire time we have been discussing part-time positions, not full-time.

In response to your claim that "Teaching positions at all levels of academia are becoming more scarce"

This is from the same site:

"Overall, employment of postsecondary teachers is expected to grow much faster than the average for all occupations through 2012. A significant proportion of these new jobs will be part-time positions. Good job opportunities are expected as retirements of current postsecondary teachers and continued increases in student enrollments create numerous openings for teachers at all types of postsecondary institutions."

 

How can one provide proof of a personal opinion? An a opinion is just that. An opinion. If one wants to draw their personal opinion on the basis of some logical facts then they have every right to.

Some people on here go around accusing others of making assumptions yet they make assumptions of their own and never seem to be able to back them up.