TUI says they are WASC Accredited

DTechBA,

You must be having ONE BAD week from the
manner in which you are conducting yourself
in/on a public forum.

The public PhD link has been posted, the facts are there,

You can assume and guess until you are 100 % DL tired. B-)

Now as to YOU defaulting into the name calling, sly comments,
and negative phrases that you are using in your responses.

That's so very sad for any school's student to behave, much
less from one who is at the PhD level of educational studies.

May your week go better, MUCH better!

TUI remains 100 % RA, is now 100% under the supervision
of WASC, and ... their PhD program remains 100% DL.

Not much else new to discuss anymore on this topic.


Billy ... <<< the real name I sign my posts with.

 

It is to laugh...

to see how dave and aa4 have the nerve to accuse anyone of immaturity. You constantly tell ME what I said but have yet to post any proof that I actually said it. You two wonders need to go away and grow up before you come out and play with the big kids. You have run rough shod over people with your mindless arguments for long enough and I for one am sick of it and you. Also, before you continue to repeat something everybody on here knows already (that TUI is WASC accredited) go try to find out the answer to what the real topic of debate is (here it is in simple language for you):

IS TUI'S PhD PROGRAM STILL 100% DISTANCE?

When you two, or even one of you, have a definitive answer to that question come back and tell us. I am sure there are people who really want to know and I for one hope they get their answer. Until then, shut your yap and let the adults talk.....

 

By the way, DAVE....

You have had all day to post some proof of this matter of public record. Where is it Dave? Can't find it can you. Guess you must be full of something unmentionable. You and your little stooge AA4NU better come up with some proof before you accuse someone of saying something. Until then, your arguments are naught but thin air. BTW, I am not your friend........

 

Hey Billy,

Yes, there certainly have been no changes for those of us currently in the program. We'll see if anything else changes. See you over in the Yahoo! Group...

Best wishes,

Dave

 

DTechBA

>IS TUI'S PhD PROGRAM STILL 100% DISTANCE?

You can call TUI, at 1-800-375-9878 and YOU ask them.
The call is free ... and then YOU can educate ALL of us!

The burden of proof now lies in your court and you won't
have to post any more of your assumptions or guesses.

The rest of your latest posting is at best, a sad reflection of
of how you really conduct yourself with others in public.

Enjoy your weekend.

Billy

 

More Data

WASC updated their site today:

http://www.wascweb.org/senior/Report%20_of_Actions_0205.pdf

 

To those who want to know...

I bothered to call and was told by the representative at TUI that the oral comp and dissertation defense may be done via teleconferencing. I guess that my "guess" that Touro could require visits may actually be wrong. Wow, I am so crushed.

No, I am not apologizing because despite you two's repeated assertions I never said that TUI would not get accreditation or that they would definately require a visit. I hazarded a guess that it would be an easy way for them to get out of their trouble with MSACS. That is what adults do in the middle of reasoned debate. They debate alternatives and make reasoned guesses. I have even bothered to post proof that is what I said and am still waiting with bated breath for either of you to post anything proving the opposite. However, reasoned debate is obviously not a strength for either of you.

Let me be blunt, as an alumnus of TUI I am embarrassed to have to say that the two of you attend the school I graduated from. It makes me and TUI look bad. You vapidly attack anyone who dares discuss possible issues with TUI in any reasoned manner. Guess what, discussions of what was wrong with TUI's programs, by members of TUI's administration is what got them to this point. You two would probably still be arguing with MSACS that nothing was wrong and I would now be a graduate of an unaccredited school. If you had half a brain you would realize that for me (an actual graduate of TUI) the absolute worst thing that could have happened was for them to lose accreditation. I would have to spend the rest of my life defending my degree? Just what common sense is it that leads you to think I would want that? It doesn't pass the common sense test for anyone but you two. Give me a very big break!

 

Back to the Real Subject

Why has a healthy discussion started by Han devolved into spewing venom? It is irrelevant to me as a now enrolled student of Touro University International who is wrong or right on this matter. All that matters is that the University has secured its accreditation (or transfer of accreditation).

Does that mean that there will be changes? I would imagine so. Accreditors almost always require some change. And if a face to face meeting is required, is that really material to the quality of the education and the utility of the degree?

Now then, perhaps we should all play nice and just wait for the changes. Let's just cool the rhetoric.

 

A couple of questions, based on the info above. I see that the WASC info says accreditation granted, and is not under the section where changes are needed. So, I am asking is it safe to assume that the programs will be left as is?

Second, for the TUI students.... can they change requirements during your program, or are you locked in once you begin. For example, say you are in the second yeara of the PhD program and they add a course to the requirements to graduate, would that only be applicable to new students, or have there been cases when things have changed for existing students.

Hey, have I mentioned congratas to all the TUI students yet .... also note in the WASC, three of the sites are covered under WASC now, not just Cypress (asked previously in this thread).

 

Re: More Data

Note that the school is listed as "Touro International University" relative to the WASC transer instead of "Touro University International". Interesting... I suppose it is a simple transposition of words.

Dave

 

Even more data

Also issued today is the Nov 2004 results.... in it is the new updated policy to "bypass candidacy".....

http://www.wascweb.org/senior/ReportToRegionNov04.pdf

 

Re: Re: More Data

Hey Dave,

But don't you think the transposition sounds almost better than the original?

 

Re: Back to the Real Subject

David,

Hi. You've made a great choice. There are a group of about 70 TUI Ph.D. students who interact about research and teaching interests in a Yahoo! Group. If you would like to join, please write me from your TUI email account at [email protected]. Glad to know you!

Best wishes,

Dave

 

Re: Re: Re: More Data

Yes, I do...

Dave

 

Re: Re: Back to the Real Subject

Thank you, Sir. I am also in the Bay Area. I'll send email from my Touro address.

 

Psst DTechBA

Just a couple facts to ponder.

Several of us ARE also already grads of TUI. That's
not a real secret either. So ponder than point.

Next, if/when a school looses their RA or DETC, or ?
the degree is still valid. That is a point of mention
frequently on this forum. So, even if TUI had lost
their RA, your MBA would still be RA. Ponder that.

Now, having stated the above. Please re-read
your postings and answer who makes who look
to borrow from Dr. Bear, "less than wonderful."

Perhaps you made an off-the-cuff remark, one
that turned out to be quite off the mark. Perhaps
you didn't understand how the RA process works
if a school looses such. Perhaps you didn't realize
that several others in this thread have TUI degrees.

All of the above is understandable ... however, the rest
of your ranting and the manner in which you conduct
yourself does not reflect well for ANY school.

Billy

 

Hey Billy,

Which world do you live in Billy? Apparently, it is not the same one the rest of us do. In our world, an Ivy league education is automatically better than that obtained from a community college in most people's eyes. We live in a world of perceptions and rankings and rightly or wrongly that is how this world is.

Just a little secret from the real world. If you are a graduate from a school that subsequently loses its accreditation and people know it, they will look at your degree with little or no respect. At best, they may force you to prove you graduated when the school was accredited. Especially, if, as in my case, that loss of accreditation occurred within the year after I graduated. Even worse, they may see it on your resume and dump it in the trash because your school is no longer accredited. None of the above is something anyone would want to have to mess with if they don't have to. Maybe Rich could give you some insight into the nuances of how people in the "real" world look at academic credentials.

Again, I am amazed that I have to point out something so screamingly obvious to almost everyone with any reasonable familiarity to the real world.

If you want to see ranting look at yours and Dave's posts on this topic over the past year since TUI started having trouble. My conduct (and others) is a direct reflection of that. Your conduct has been reprehensible and inexcusable. It ranked right down there the worst mill shill that has ever visited this board. Other people just got sick of arguing against your endlessly repeated accusations with little or no proof and gave up. You didn't win the argument they just were sick of arguing with someone who refused to see reason. I, on the other hand, am sick of it and call you out for what you are, mindless shills who provide little or no backing to your arguments and have no problem twisting other peoples words to make your point look more defensible. It's childish and I am sick of it....

 

Han asks some great questions ...

I'll offer my opinions ...

>So, I am asking is it safe to assume that the
>programs will be left as is?

My communications with my profs would indicate YES.
Like you, I noted NO conditions in the WASC posting.

>Second, for the TUI students.... can they change
>requirements during your program, or are you locked
>in once you begin. For example, say you are in the
>second yeara of the PhD program and they add a
>course to the requirements to graduate, would that
>only be applicable to new students, or have there
>been cases when things have changed for existing
>students.

As frequently posted, many of their programs continue
to change over time. This was true were I started
on my BA many years ago at a B&M school. There, I
was told that as long as I remained a current student
and in the program I started in, the initial guidelines
would remain in play. If I changed programs/majors
or whatever, then whatever the current rules might
be, would replace my old program guidelines. Even at
the B&M school, they could (and did) modify some of
the course requirements that I had not yet taken. Again,
that seems typical for most settings.

TUI is very similar. Here's a TUI link for your review:

http://www.tourou.edu/faq/stopout.htm

Basically is seems to be similar to what I described
above ... as long as you stay a current student, per
their definition, you stay in THAT program. If you leave,
and then come back, then whatever the current rules
are THEN whe you return, will be the ones you'll go by.

Here's another example. The "Core Courses" for the
TUI PhD have changed since I entered the program.

But, those already in the program did not have to add
them into their academic plan. One I took as an elective
as I thought there was value, but it was an option. My
program is still following the original academic plan. Some
have changed, for example DBA699 used to be similar to
BUS609 ... if by such and such a date, you had not already
taken BUS609, then you would, from that point forward
now take DBA699. So, in my case I took DBA699 while
my original plan shows BUS609 ... it's really the same.

Many of the courses' content has changed over the years,
that's to be expected, with most any setting. The EDP170
I took many years ago was very different from when one
my daughters took the same school many years later.

My son-in-law recently returned to a B&M school after being
out for a few years. He has had to retake some additional
coursework to meet TODAY's requirements at his school. So,
looking forward (regardless of the WASC/etc.) I would see
TUI continuing to make needed changes to ANY/ALL programs.

>Hey, have I mentioned congratas to all the TUI students yet
> .... also note in the WASC, three of the sites are covered under
>WASC now, not just Cypress (asked previously in this thread).

Thanks, actually, I think over time, we'll all see that this has
been a positive event for DL education overall. Let's hope so.

Have a good weekend,

Billy ... who also noted the TIU verses TUI too.

 

Billy,

Hi. You might be wasting your time trying to reason with that individual... It might be better to concentrate on your research.

Best wishes,

Dave

 

Re: Re: Re: Back to the Real Subject

Fantastic! Welcome aboard!