The Akamai Mystery

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Dr. Latin Juris, Feb 24, 2005.

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  1. Akamai, at this time, is federal recognized as a degree granting institution. The Federal Power in US, the US Department of Education, Office of Postsecondary Education, says that.

    Consequently, with the recognition of the US Department of Education, Akamai would currently meet up the GAAP designation? (A designation no created by USDoE or by some JUS).

    Other thing, why Akamai and not the others, like California Pacific University or the Law schools of California?

    Also, is curious that Alan says that Akamai is a degree mill:p however, the USDoE recognize Akamai as a university.:D
     
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  2. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    Could you please provide a reference to the federal recognition of Akamai?
     
  3. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The US Dept. of Education doesn't recognize universities, except in the limited context of deciding which ones qualify for specific federal programs.

    Put another way, the US Dept. of Education isn't in the business of examining and making accreditation assessments of universities. It defers to the judgements of the recognized accreditors for that.

    Akami, to the best of my knowledge, has no recognized accreditation of any kind.

    It, along with a number of additional non-accredited schools, does appear on the Dept. of Education's online list of (supposedly) accredited institutions. And reportedly some accredited schools aren't on the list.

    That's why the Dept. of Education list isn't totally reliable at this point. It's a work in progress and probably was unveiled before it should have been.

    The database on the CHEA website does seem to be well maintained and accurate.

    This stuff has already been discussed on this thread:

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17900
     
  4. MacWithey

    MacWithey New Member

    An unaccredited school can appear in the US DOE
    database provided that it provides a disclaimer
    attesting that it lacks recognized accreditation.

    I notice that Oregon ODA website now provides a link
    to the DOE database. IMHO, ODA should use CHEA's instead,
    at http://www.chea.org
    since it is limited to accredited institutions.


    Don MacWithey
     
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  5. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    BillDayson:

    Thanks for the above great post! It does help to clear the air.

    Dr. Latin Juris:

    In another thread, you posted that Akamai University is "recognized" by the USDoE Office of Post Secondary Education. You provided this link as proof:

    http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/aboutus.html#69

    Please note:

    The link you provided clearly states:

    "AKAMAI UNIVERSITY IS NOT ACCREDITED BY AN ACCREDITING AGENCY OR ASSOCIATION RECOGNIZED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION." (emphaisis, i.e. CAPS, not mine).

    The site also states that:

    "The NCES Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System issued IPEDS Identification Number 443960 to Akamai University on 9 October 2003."

    Akamai appears to possess an IPEDS number provided by the USDoE's National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), which is simply a data collection and analysis arm for the USDoE, not an accrediting or recognizing agency.

    Note that I am not impugning the integrity or quality (or lack thereof) of Akamai U; I am simply attempting to make a confusing point about accreditation and recognition a bit clearer.


    Thanks.
     
  6. MacWithey

    MacWithey New Member

    An unaccredited school can appear in the US DOE
    database if it provides a disclaimer
    attesting that it lacks recognized accreditation.

    I notice that the Oregon ODA website now has a link
    to the DOE database. IMHO, ODA should use CHEA's listing instead-- at http://www.chea.org --
    which only includes accredited institutions.



    Don MacWithey
     
  7. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I'm not sure what database you are talking about. But the search page that Mr. Latin Juris posted a link to was intended to be a listing of colleges and universities that posses recognized accreditation. (The only USDoEd recognized state approval system is New York's.)

    http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/

    But confusingly, the searches turn up a number of institutions with no recognized accreditation at all, with the 'accreditation' field simply left blank.

    It may or may not be significant that the home page for the whole site

    http://www.ope.ed.gov

    isn't working this morning.
     
  8. MacWithey

    MacWithey New Member

    I sent the following inquiry to the US DOE :

    (snipped)
    "You have an unrecognized/unaccredited school, AKAMAI UNIVERSITY,
    in your database at
    http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/InstDetail.asp

    In several states, namely Oregon, the school is cited by the
    state authorities as follows:
    "Akamai University Hawaii Appears to be a diploma mill. ODA has no evidence that this is a legitimate provider of postsecondary education meeting Oregon standards." You can find this entry at
    http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

    You will notice that you have no accrediting agency listed on your
    page for Akamai University. "
    (snipped)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I received the following response from an Anthony Sepúlveda (Information Resource Specialist,
    Office of Intergovernmental and Interagency Affairs):

    "Thank you for passing this information along to us. We are fully aware of this fact. We have placed a disclaimer on our web page about this university,
    http://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/. This particular database contains other information, besides accreditation, about various postsecondary institutions. This information is submitted by these institutions to the Department on a voluntary basis. Accreditation is not a requirement for institutions to submit their information to this database.
    Recognizing that students and employers need help in recognizing diploma mills, the Department recently unveiled a new database which provides a list of accredited [institutions]. You can access this database at http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.asp. "
    (snipped)



    So it would seem that even his response was a bit confused,
    since my inquiry addressed the database of accredited ope.ed.gov institutions, not the NCES listing which includes unaccredited ones.

    DM
     
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  9. MacWithey

    MacWithey New Member

    Update:

    I just received an apologetic email from Anthony Sepulveda
    of the US DOE assuring that the matter of Akamai University
    (and other unaccredited institutions) on the ope.ed.gov database
    will be corrected. Hopefully so.
    To date, the CHEA database at http://www.chea.org is
    more reliable.


    D MacWithey
     
  10. Dear Alan of ODA;

    Why Akamai University, that is a new institution of higher education and function in Hawaii, has the libelous categorization of Appears to be Degree mill:confused:

    What's more, the phase appears to be Degree mill is a phase that I cannot find in Oregon Laws or Administrative Rules.

    Where is that Phase in the Law:confused:

    To finish, what is the rock-hard evidence and the wonderful due process that you give to Akamai University before you make the wonderful classification as a Degree Mill:confused:
     
  11. plantagenet

    plantagenet New Member

    I just checked, and Akamai appears to have been removed from the ope.ed.gov database.

    It appears to have lost the federal recognition that the original poster claimed.
     
  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    With friends like DLJ, Akamai doesn't need enemies. Akamai does not engage in doubletalk or deception about accreditation or rather the lack of it. Whether it proceeds to solidify itself academically and eventually apply for it remains to be seen. I haven't noticed anybody from Akamai throwing words like "libelous" around. Just more logomachy and pointless provocation from a time-honoured source.
     
  13. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    You've never even bothered to look at the Oregon Administrative Rules, have you?

    The definitions of "substandard" and "degree mill" are in OAR 583-050-0011(10) and (11).

    Frankly, it's things like this that convince me that you are lying about being an attorney.
     
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  14. adamsmith

    adamsmith member

    Akamai has some good faculty, as well as a good President. However, it is shooting itself in the foot academically by entering into off shore alliances. The ones I know in Asia stink!
     
  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Good point. That sounds irresponsible. Sadly, they aren't the only ones doing it--which is absolutely no excuse at all.
     
  16. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Sooner or later, everyone gets it...

    You just now came to that conclusion? ;)
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I don't remember Dr. Latin Juris ever claiming to be a lawyer. Did I miss something? Or is it just his very suggestive screen name?
     
  18. Charles

    Charles New Member

    I have been going on the assumption that DLJ is none other than our old friend Police.
     
  19. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Actually, I can't remember if he ever said he was. I think maybe not. But I seem to remember, sometime back (and, of course, I can't remember which thread), that he made a reference that, despite its being cleverly worded, left the reader with the nearly inescapable, presumptive conclusion that he was.

    Another impression I had of him (and I'm just assuming that he's a "him") was that "he" may be more than one person. Sometimes his sentence structure is nearly perfect, and other times it's as though written by someone who flunked his introductory ESL class... twice. Perhaps the latter is just a put-on, I dunno.

    Don't much care, either, I should add.
     

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