French Higher Ed Degrees based upon professional experience

Don't make this a policy but that’s what I understood from our conversation.

I'm not interested in promoting this entity it was a personal validation with a company in France that I have business on a daily basis.

I think it's like CA approved school graduates can use their degrees in CA.

I'm really interested in reply from regular not top tier French universities as far as acceptance.

Will post here their reply.

 

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You are so well informed about sxwitzerland.. I am amazed Sir,

Let put it like that It was totaly true and it is less true with our world globalization. I am (LOL) a living proof that it is still true as I am not (yet) a CEO.

Traditionally CEO from big Swiss Companiesare colonels or Majors of the Swiss army (Switzerland has no Generals except in time of war the last one was Gle Guizan during WWII) .It is a tradition.

You probably know that we have still a real milicia and that every Swiss male up to age 45 is doing 3 weeks as a military every year. (I have my assault rifle at home).

Swiss military non professional officers helps others and it is true that most CEO are still high ranking militaries. Now lets say that Swiss CEO have Higher education degrees and are Colonels...

I do not think the Swiss companies suffer a lot from that fact. Switzerland is now an Island of prosperity compared to Germany and France.

Sincerely
Marc Christian Sergent

 

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You are so well informed about Switzerland.. I am amazed Sir,

Let put it like that It was totaly true and it is less true with our world globalization. I am (LOL) a living proof that it is still true as I am not (yet) a CEO.

Traditionally CEO from big Swiss Companiesare colonels or Majors of the Swiss army (Switzerland has no Generals except in time of war the last one was Gle Guizan during WWII) .It is a tradition.

You probably know that we have still a real milicia and that every Swiss male up to age 45 is doing 3 weeks as a military every year. (I have my assault rifle at home).

Swiss military non professional officers helps others and it is true that most CEO are still high ranking militaries. Now lets say that Swiss CEO have Higher education degrees and are Colonels...

I do not think the Swiss companies suffer a lot from that fact. Switzerland is now an Island of prosperity compared to Germany and France.

Sincerely
Marc Christian Sergent

 

I dug into this a few months ago.

It looks like URDS can issue "diplomas" but they are not automatically equal to a nationally backed degree.

Here are some of the e-mails I exchanged with some french ministery of education members.

Another :

Its akin to a US non-accredited. You can legaly present this to an employer or a RA school, but the chances of them accepting such a document is extremely small.



** I did not ask for permission to use the names assoicated with these messages, but will share them in private should someone want to verify.

 

Absolutely Right !

But French private well known universities like ESSEC HEC INSEAD etc grant diplomas that are valid but not in the "Name of the State" (not National Diploma).

Public universities grant Diploma ("au nom de l'Etat"), Private legititimate universities grant regular Diplomas.

It is not quite like "accredited or non accredited" as far as I know the US system.

It is correct the Public Universities grant diploma (au nom de l'Etat) Private issues regular degrees. Private French legitimate and registeredx universities have a control and regulation from the State.

As an example INSEAD is the best graduate European business school (with my beloved Lausanne ). It does not deliver Diplomas au "nom de l'Etat" but is legitimate. we could not not consider it as unaccredited... The same in Switzerland where our best business school is private.

Hope that we will agree on that,

Respectfully,

Marc Christian
Who by the way will welcome you in Geneva one day !

 

Thanks for the canton list, Marc Christian. It's helpful. There are also a couple of Titelmuehle in one half or the other of Appenzell. Like General Guisan (note spelling) you are a doughty defender of Swiss integrity. It's good to have you posting here.

Cordially,
Janko

PS: Is your surname Sergent or Fischbacher?

 

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Peaceforall has an assault rifle. Bon Homme!

Sic vis pacem, parabellum.

Thanks for your reply on the CEOs. Interesting.

 

Or, in Latin, "Si vis pacem, para bellum."

 

Well some one has to protect the Swiss bank accounts.

Not that I have one

 

Another :

Its akin to a US non-accredited. You can legally present this to an employer or a RA school, but the chances of them accepting such a document is extremely small.

First I will difrenciate employers and RA universities.

Not all US unaccredited degrees are equal.

California State approved degree holders can use their unaccredited but state approved degrees in the state of California for employment and some licensisng.

RA schools will not accept unacredited degrees for graduate studies.

I know a practicing attorney - Licensed with CA approved degree.

So there may be a level of recognition to the cantons privet schools in France.

Once I get reply from couple of French public universities I’ll post it here.

My asked dual question

1. On indevidual basis
2. As a meter of policy.


Learner

 

I am Sergent Fischbacher from the Swiss Army. (CHF 8 per day pay.) It is why I am not a CEO yet.

I aoplogize for the Z at Guisan I am a bad Swiss !

I will put flowerts to his equestrian statue near the Richemond & Beau Rivage Hotes where an Austrian Princess (Sissi not sure) was killed.

I enjoy this discussion.

 

Loi du 18 mars 1880


Article 4..........................................
L. 731-14

Article 6..........................................
L. 731-3

Article 8..........................................
L. 731-14

Concordance entre les textes de loi originaux et le Code de l'Education

 

Chers Amis or dear friends,
Je travaille pour une companie francaise aux usa et J'ai fait verifier l'authenticite de ce diplome par la DRH et pas de surprise l'universite de sorbon n'est pas une institution reconnue par le ministere de l'education national ou autre.
Translation.
I work for a large french company and asked Hr to verify the legitimacy of this " institution".
No surprise, Answer:" This university is not recognized by the french ministry of education or else"
Therefore it is a degree mill
Hope this helps!!

 

Chers Amis or dear friends,
Je travaille pour une companie francaise aux usa et J'ai fait verifier l'authenticite de ce diplome par la DRH et pas de surprise l'universite de sorbon n'est pas une institution reconnue par le ministere de l'education national ou autre.
Translation.
I work for a large french company and asked Hr to verify the legitimacy of this " institution".
No surprise, Answer:" This university is not recognized by the french ministry of education or else"
Therefore it is a degree mill
Hope this helps!!

 

Thats not what I was told at Alcatel.

This entity is very suspect and I think they are sub standard school.

But I'm not a prefessional degree equivalency evaluator.

Each country is some what deferent and has deferent system, so this one is new for me.

I'm talking to Jue who is evaluator at NACES member company.

He is looking at it for me.

Another 3 agencies simply told me they don't evaluate this entity.

 

It's not new. Its been Sorbon's line since they dropped the Comorean "accreditation" thing.

And how does any of this add to their "validity", howver that's being defined?

What does "Registered French Institution of Higher Education" mean precisely? What is the significance of the "Journal Officiel"? What in the world is "L731-14"? (I take it that it's a code section, but nobody ever bothers to translate it.

In particular, does ANY of this stuff imply credible quality assurance oversight? If so, precisely who supplies it? Are they the same agency that provides similar assessment of non-controversial French schools?

Frankly, it really sounds to me like somebody is trying to exploit Anglophone confusion about the French system. That's not unlike Americans trying to exploit Chinese confusion about the American system. Marketing materials often contrast "mandatory state approval" with "voluntary private accreditation", and the Chinese, not being fools, often opt for the former.

 

And you sometimes get 'yes', as with Berne and Saint Regis.

The problem with relying on ministry approvals (and the fatal flaw in "GAAP") is that it confuses political and academic criteria of legitimacy.

What we need to know is whether or not particular schools are accreditation equivalent (usually RA-equivalent). That means that we have to know what kind of academic oversight they receive, and from whom.

State-approvals mean little if they don't imply the accreditation process.

 

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Here's another problem:

In the United States, private universities receive the same accreditation oversight and inspections as public universities. Stanford, Yale, Cal Tech, MIT... all private and all fully accredited.

In Europe, it seems that the public-private distinction is often confused with the accredited-nonaccredited distinction. Public universities get the oversight, private universities are essentially unregulated and very much buyer-beware. The reductio-ad-absurdem is Denmark, which apparently has no legal provision for private universities at all and where (to hear Henrik argue it) all it takes to operate one is a business license.

I get the impression that in parts of Europe private universities are anomalies.

 

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So you are telling us that Robert de Sorbon receives control and regulation from the state.

What kind of control and regulation is that? Who provides it? How can an Anglophone learn the details?

In particular, I want to know whether this "control and regulation from the state" more closely resembles a Wyoming state license or American regional accreditation.

 

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Do the Danes suffer for that?

Or private anything.