Less "Diploma Mills" in the ODA list !

I noticed that several entities, called before "Diploma Mills" by ODA, lost recently their label "DM".

Some, however stay with this infamous label.

Could I get calm, objective and intelligent explanations ?

 

Which ones?

 

My guess is that some of these schools are simply unaccredited schools which were not diploma mills to begin with. I am sure that ODA is getting a little bit nervous about bad-mouthing all unaccredited schools unless they know for sure they are diploma mills. Lawsuits have that effect on people.

Frankly, as I have said before, Oregon taxpayers should not have to pay for this "service" anyway.

 

ODA list changes

I agree with Russ on this one - ODA's existance provides little if anything to businesses and taxpayers of Oregon, and by default brings a certain ring of egalitarianism to the table, along with potential big time litigation.

I think it is only a matter of time before ODA pits itself against not only an institution of some documenable quality and substance, (claiming it as a mill), but most likely an institution that has substantive recognition and use by government agencies at the Federal level.

Is ODA going to suggest that it knows better?

Domestically,we already have RA and DETC, along with lesser organizations that offer pseudo accreditation or review. Why do we need (or Oregon taxpayers need) yet another body of governmental officials pointing fingers and making determinations on issues anyone could make themselves with minimal inquiry. If there is question as to competency in the academics required, give an examination and find out.

Bottom line is, whether employer or academic institution, they should evaluate and decide for themselves what a degree from an institution is, and the State of Oregon should make policies for their own hiring. This way Oregon bureaucrats could eventually wind up being comprised only of graduates of institutions they approve of!! YIKES. I'll stay where I am.

I have never matriculated at a UA or DETC school, (only RA's), but the concept of an ODA strikes me as somethng a little wrong, particularly where most of the singled out schools are NOT in the State of Oregon. Hmm let's see... this school is not RA or DETC, but we LIKE THEM......... this one is DETC, but we DON'T LIKE them anyway....... that school is UA in that state over there and we DON'T like them........


Ray Lund

 

Hi Ray,

Please point out a DETC accredited school that is on the ODA list.

The law in Oregon specifies that degrees from unaccredited schools cannot be used in Oregon unless they have been approved by the ODA. It does not say that the schools must reside in Oregon before they can be evaluated. As a matter of fact that wouldn't even make sense because such a small percentage of the unaccredited schools claim residience in Oregon.

 

Used for what? If Bunny O'Hare applies to the Pudd Co. with an unapproved degree and Elmer Pudd decides to hire Bunny, are they both lawbreakers? Are either of them lawbreakers? Should they be deemed lawbreakers?

 

My understanding is that in your example, Bunny O'Hare would be committing a misdemeanor. Elmer Pudd would not. The real advantage of the Oregon law in this case is that later if Elmer Pudd found out the degree was unaccredited he could fire Bunny O'Hare with little fear from a wrongful termination suit.

My further understanding is that the Attorney General plans on trying to get the law changed during the next legislative session based on the agreement with KWU. That is an unaccredited and ODA unapproved degree can be used if it is specified that the degree is unaccredited.

My assumption as to the way it will work next year (assuming that the law change is approved), still using your example, is that if Bunny didn't declare unaccredited then she/he would be very vulnerable to termination. However, if Bunny O'Hare had properly declared that their degree was unaccredited then they would have a much better shot at a wrongful termination suit if they were fired later for having a degree mill diploma.

 

Out of curiosity...who bothers to declare whether their degree is from an accredited school on a resume?

 

Care to name some of these unaccredited schools that according to you were supposedly "not diploma mills to begin with?"

Perchance would KW"U" happen to be one of them, in your view?

Any evidence from you as to why you believe they "were not diploma mills to begin with?"

How do you explain the fact that KW"U" used to claim accreditation from a fake accreditor years ago?

Do entities that "were not diploma mills to begin with" claim accreditation from fake accreditors?

Thanks.

 

Btw, would Gmail, Ray Lund, and Russ - or some such combination - happen to be one and the same person(s)?

I am wildly speculating, of course!

Btw, there are scientically-sound methods of analysis - such as grammatical usage deconstruction, language analysis, pseudo-IP addressing, etc., to use to uncover some (even if, tiny) shreds of evidence that one who claims to be one (self) is actually another, right?

Oh, well, I am wildly speculating, of course.

Thanks.

 

Which ones? If this is true, document it. Give the names of the institutions whose classification changed.

 

Do your own research !!

Do your own research, Caro Zio, because if I tell you, you will not trust me.

I am so dumb, as you nicely said in another thread.

I counted at least three "entities" that lost the Diploma Mill appelation at ODA.

I am sad to see that I have, according to an adept of the conspiration theories, several personalities (Russ, Ray Lund etc.).

Single minded people cannot imagine that several people can disagree with them .

I repeat I want :

calm, objective and intelligent explanations


From a a girl called Ray !!!

 

Do your own research !!

Please do your own research, Caro Zio. because you will not trust me.

I am so dumb, as you nicely said in another thread.

I counted at least three "entities" that lost the Diploma Mill appelation at ODA.

I am sad also to see that I have, according to another fan of the conspiration theories, several personalities (Russ, Ray Lund etc.).

Single minded people cannot imagine that several people can disagree with them .

I repeat I want :

calm, objective and intelligent explanations


From a a girl called Ray !!!

 

Nope. I want you to back up an assertion. I even guess that your assertion is likely true. That's a guess, though, in the absence of evidence. But I want you to back it up. Why should I do your work for you?

If what you post is for the benefit of distance learners, you will do this, or at least try to do this. If you have another motive, you won't even try. Your credibility is on the line. So far, your most distinguished stuff has been a series of nasty attacks on Tony Pin~a. Here's your chance to rise above your previous level.

You have made a claim based on public documents. So document it.

 

I'll offer another reason for naming these "entities" that have allegedly switched categories. Assuming there are a few of them, it's reasonable to further assume that they have switched categories for different reasons. University A has switched for reason X. University B has switched for reason Y. University C has switched for reason Z. If this is at all an accurate portrayal of the situation, then no one can answer your question about "why" until they know to which universities you are referring. I believe this is calm, objective and, if not especially intelligent, at least it's logical.
Jack

 

Motivation fror Dropping Diploma Mill !

How about dropping the infamous Diploma Mill label, for fear of legal actions?

Alain Contreras seems to label universities "DM" without:

any due process, researches and any documentation . it is ennoying for a respectable State and could be costly.

Sometimes Mr. Contreras is right but many times he is wrong !

I think that it is the KWU effect...but I could be wrong .

 

Am I Russ in disguise?

Hmmm well, speculation science, now this is a new one....
because I agree with a single post by Russ, I am now suspect of being Russ? wow. It certainly was speculation and wild as well.

I am Ray Lund, graduate of West Coast University (the old b&m school in Los Angeles (1991 grad) and I just completed my Masters degree at National University (another b&m shcool that also does online programs as well- mine was some of both).

Sorry, no missing Russ twin here - I jsut agree with him now and then.........


Ray Lund
BS West Coast Univeristy
MFSc National Univeristy (degree to be awarded 03/05)

 

Ray,

Please allow me to eat crow (but do not weep for me).

Do accept my apologies for my rampant (and wild) speculative spree prior, re: you being possibly, one and the same as the elusive Russ, who is still playing dodgeball with the facts. I am going to trust that you are being truthful here 9at least on this issue).

Hey, why not?

Thanks.

 

There's still no documentation of the original assertion in this thread
(however ungrammatical).

 

Uncle;

Pacific Coast University no more degree mill (Bravo; Excellent; Good for the Advocatus, but, they still in the list; they deserves the phase; Not a diploma mill or the best; out of the List )

Breyer State University no more mill phase.

Madison U. no further degree mill phase.

Canyon College, no further mill phase.

Preston University, no more mill phase

Central State University, no more mill phase ( a couple of weeks back).

Bircham International University, no more mill phase. (Now with Spanish approval; private education)