Approved State Schools

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by bikerseven2003, Oct 21, 2004.

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  1. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    to grgrwll

    I know about government. I work in government. I have met quite a few of the "elected officials" and the only thing they do care about is getting voted in and staying in. I was hoping since they did have an investigation about substandard schools and diploma mills and a Senate hearing, that someone pay attention and do something. If enough folks complained, maybe something would happen.

    I am not one to sit and complain. I voice my concerns and keep at it. If I see a problem, I attempt to make some kind of suggestion or something to help solve the problem. My suggestion may be a bit off the wall or way off base, but at least I am trying just not crying.

    Thanks for your response. I am going to look into the universities that Ian suggested. There are so many, it is difficult to research each one. Believe me, I have been at this for a year now and still searching. I have found a few good unaccredited schools and some accredited by agencies not recognized by DOE. But I am afraid to go that route. I am favorable of SCUPS but if I could find an accredited school, would rather do that.
     
  2. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

    Re: Ian

    I understand the urge to get started while "the spirit is moving you," but if you can wait a few years, it's quite likely that there will be far more DL Ph.D. programs, particularly in the fields in which you are interested, as they are very "hot."

    Also, it looks like there's a decent chance that DETC schools will be able to offer doctorates in the near future.

    You admitted that you got "sucked in" before. Don't do it again.
     
  3. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    Ian

    What school is cosc? Thanks!
     
  4. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    grgrwll

    Boy did I ever get "suckered". That is why I am trying to get all the help I can from others. I was one of those who thought I was not one of those who could be suckered. Just shows that I don't know if I know enough to know that I don't know. I know that I will not ever advise anyone to apply to a distance learning school in Wyoming. I am in the process of helping their DOE to put a couple of these places out of business. I have shelled out a few bucks to get information and enroll at these schools and passed all the materials to the DOE of Wyoming. They are taking action. I can't wait to see the outcome. It may even be on the news in the near future.

    I am 45 y/o. I have worked with the government for almost 20 years. The better paying positions are those that require a doctorate. I have a Master's from East Carolina University, but the Master's degree is becoming less competitive because there are more and more folks getting them. If I wait too long, I may lose my drive to continue the education mode or just be too damned old to make a difference. White males over the are of 40 have less chances than any other group of getting promotions or hired into new positions. That is from the EEO statistics. But we are not in a protected class. Women are, minorities are, disabled are. I just completed an updated EEO training course required by our State for managers. A boost up would be having a doctorate in my field from a credible school. So, I want to be very careful in choosing a school. But I do have financial and family obligations that I have to work around. Know what I mean?
     
  5. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    Ian

    Ian:

    I looked up Excelsior on the web. I am not sure that it is the same Excelsior you referred to. This one is accredited by the United Nations Council and Distance Learning Association. Never heard of these two accreditation agencies. And this school has an address in Wyoming. Don't like that at all.

    Would you give me the location of the school so I will know that I am looking at the right stuff? and thanks again.

    Robert
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Ian

    Charter Oak State College. Their website is www.cosc.edu
     
  7. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    Ian

    Hello again:

    I just looked up Northcentral University. They appear to have an excellent program. The Ph D in Psychology is pretty much like that at SCUPS but is twice the cost per semester hour. The program is set up practically the same as SCUPS has.

    I do notice that Northcentral U has an address in Arizona.

    I am going to check out the financial aid and grants. If I can swing it, I will apply for this program. I wonder why SCUPS don't go for this accreditiation. ??????
     
  8. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: SCUPS

    Wow, there is some real disinformation here. There definately ARE RA schools that are 100% DL and inexpensive.

    Accreditation when consider as a percentage of a schools operating cost is relatively minor. Plus it greatly increase a school marketability and likely its enrollment. Schools that remain unaccredited are probably not up to minimum standards.

    It seems what NC is doing, requiring a basic level of accreditation for degrees it accepts, is a wise move. I applaud them for taking such a step.

    I also think considering either CPU or SCUPS is probably a mistake. Often some thing cheaper is a very bad value. (Think Yugo here) If you absolutely must keep low dollar, look at the SA schools or Austrailian schools. Both are excellent values while remaining RA equivilent.

    Unaccredited school always run the risk of being considered degree mills ie CCU in recent Congressional Hearings. DETC accredited school may work but are often considered second rate and bad choices. We're talking the rest of your life here. Make it a good investment.
     
  9. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

  10. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Re: Ian

    Some other RA DL only schools are Thomas Edison state College (NJ), Capella, Walden, and Perhaps Union Instute University (OH). There is also the Western Governers University but I am not to familier it. You can search for all the schools mentioned on this site.
     
  11. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    Dave

    Ian and others have shared that there are totally DL RA schools in a socialable, professional and courteous way. I admitted the error in a previous posting, so go back and read. So give me a break would you? Instead of your usual negative comments you could learn from others such as Ian, John, JNelson and grgrwll in being civil and constructive in sharing of thoughts and information. You are not 100% correct in all of your information either. Instead of being constructive and offering substantial information, you are always on the attack if you don't agree. I perceive you to be one of those people who most folks would despise as a professor, instructor, manager or supervisor. The one who is always right and unwilling to appreciate difference of opinions. But who knows, you may be a kind hearted intelligent people person lovable guy. I do not go on the attack with you because I don't agree with everything you state. I respect your opinions even if we don't agree on certain issues. Anyway, if you can't be civil don't reply to my postings and I will do the same for you. AND FYI

    The Excelsoir University I found on the web did not have any accreditation with one of the RA's. I am thinking it might be one of those knock off schools. I don't want that. You jump so fast to conclusions.

    I am looking at Northcentral University. In comparing SCUPS and NCU, the programs, the policies and requirements are almost identical. ??? And I am wondering why NCU is in Arizona but accredited with the North Central Region.
     
  12. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    Dave

    I went to the web site you included in your posting. Thanks. The Excelsior I went to was Excelsior University not Excelsior College. IF you had read my posting you would have understood my question. There is an Excelsior University as I stated. And, I guess these folks are using the Excelsior name to throw folks off the track. See, you could have been nicer with your posting and told me to try this web site instead of the smurky comment you made.

    I don't know, may be it is just your personality and I can't fault you for that. So my apologies for my last posting to you. But do try to be more civil. ;-)
     
  13. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Biker

    I apologize if you perceive my post as an attack. It wasn't. You posted incorrect information which no one had corrected. My post was not an attack, but a correction.

    Please don't assume you know my state of mind from a few very accurate and factual sentences.

    You also may want to reread your own post and see if it doesn't do everything you accused me of.

    In any event take care. Don't take yourself too seriously. This is just a message board after all.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Ian

    Because WASC would never have accredited it. That's why the owners established a new school in Arizona, placing it under a different regional accreditor.

    How can you say that SCUPS at all compares to Northcentral? Northcentral was successful in its bid for accreditation; SCUPS was rejected by the lesser light, DETC. That alone should tell you there is no comparison, no matter what you see on a website.
     
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    P.S. Biker

    An apology for your accusations and character assesments would be nice.
     
  16. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Here is the area served by the North Central Association
     

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  17. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    bikerseven: "You are a highly respected individual in the education field. I have heard lots of good things about you and have read news articles about you too. What are your thoughts on SCUPS located in California?"

    John: In general what I'd say about any California-approved school: clearly there are people who can benefit (or believe they can) from such a degree, and so for those people it may well make sense. In particular, however, I cannot easily forget that they are the only school that ever did what they did to me. They sent prospective students what looked like a page from Bears' Guide, but they had re-set the type, to have me saying positive things I never said. And for good measure they changed 'my' words on some of their competitors, like California Coast, to make me sound more negative then I was. They stopped after getting a 'cease and desist' letter, but even though I have spoken to Dr. Hecht several times since then, there has never been an explanation or apology.
     
  18. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Maybe they should be called Central North Southwestern?!

    :D :D :D
     
  19. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    You know, I am sure it is flaw of mine, but I just can't believe more people (i.e. the students that enroll) don't see the potential limitations of a State Approved degree. Why invest thousands of dollars and years of time in a very limited degree. If a person wants a Doctorate why get a watered down one that will likely be seen very negitively?
     
  20. bikerseven2003

    bikerseven2003 New Member

    Dave:

    I did apologize and still do for assuming. No attack on you by any means. I was sharing, subjectively as the case may be, how I interpretted your statements.

    Robert
     

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