california pacific university - Need help!!!

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  1. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: california pacific university - Need help!!!


    Bill, if I have to worry for everything in my life, I would have no life, especially when it comes to those less informed. Ignorance and close minds are everywhere. I want to mention again is not my intend to defend my degrees or to gain any acceptance for my choices, and especially for those that have no pay for my food, mortgage, clothing, and for that matter for my education.

    There is place and time for everything. I will be honest when disclosing my non-accredited degree period, (the truth will set you free). If gets me the job fine, if does not fine too, that the least of my worry, but is the same win and lose situation with or without disclosure. The name of the game is who you know and not what you know!

    :D
     
  2. tmartca

    tmartca New Member

    Originally posted by RFValve

    The point is that you can apply for jobs where an accredited DBA is required with a CSU degree while you cannot with a CPU one. You will never be called a "fraud" or risk to loose a faculty job like Mr. Corral did with a CSU degree.

    Originally posted by Vinipink

    Central State University (degree mill) is not in the same category as California Pacific University (State Approved or not accredited but legal degree)


    The issue with Mr. Corral and Tulane involved him using a fake PhD from LaCrosse, not "CSU." And which CSU are we talking about: Charles Stuart U, California State U, Charleston Southern U, Castleton State U, Colorado State U, Columbia State U or Chicago State University?? How about Coppin State University?? Do you mean the Central State U in California or the one in Ohio??RFValve: I you mentioned CSU as a degree that will help you and would not help you, but you only mentioned Charles Stuart U, who is the other CSU? I believe that Vinipink is assuming that the other CSU is Central State U (in CA or OH???).


    And what exactly is your reasoning (other than longevity) for calling Central State U a degree mill and CPU not a degree mill. Now if you took classes from both schools and then offered an opinion, I might take your degree mill accusation more seriously. Like, for instance, CPU is far better academically then Central State (in CA or OH???) because of Reason 1, Reason 2, etc. But unless you’ve done some in-depth investigation, you calling Central State a degree mill and CPU not a degree mill is unfounded.

    Personally, I don't think either are degree mills, per se. Substandard, I’m sure someone would say yes, especially a person that follows an “RA or nothing” rationale. Unaccredited, yes. Degree mill, I wouldn't go that far. (The position that JNenson467 takes in
    this thread is pretty close to my own position)

    ==>Just my Opinion<==


    P.S. The California State U systems in prohibited, by state statue, from granting PhDs.
    Now some campuses offer joint Ph.D programs where they are started at the CSU campus and are finished at another university that is able to grant PhDs. An example would be the joint Ph.D program in Geography between San Diego State and UC Santa Barbara (link)
     
  3. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster


    CSU: Let my clarify, I meant Columbia State University and not Central State University, My apologies to the folks of Central State University>
     
  4. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Originally posted by tmartca

    Central State University (degree mill) is not in the same category as California Pacific University (State Approved or not accredited but legal degree)

    Clarification Was posted!

    CSU: Columbia State University Degree Mill

    The issue with Mr. Corral and Tulane involved him using a fake PhD from LaCrosse, not "CSU." And which CSU are we talking about: Charles Stuart U, California State U, Charleston Southern U, Castleton State U, Colorado State U, Columbia State U or Chicago State University?? How about Coppin State University?? Do you mean the Central State U in California or the one in Ohio??RFValve: I you mentioned CSU as a degree that will help you and would not help you, but you only mentioned Charles Stuart U, who is the other CSU? I believe that Vinipink is assuming that the other CSU is Central State U (in CA or OH???).

    Why the complication? I am refering to Columbia State University> A simple clarification would have been enough!


    And what exactly is your reasoning (other than longevity) for calling Central State U a degree mill and CPU not a degree mill. Now if you took classes from both schools and then offered an opinion, I might take your degree mill accusation more seriously. Like, for instance, CPU is far better academically then Central State (in CA or OH???) because of Reason 1, Reason 2, etc. But unless you’ve done some in-depth investigation, you calling Central State a degree mill and CPU not a degree mill is unfounded.

    There is search botton that do miracles to do research is this forum! But I was refering to Columbia State University thas is well known degree mill and that is no lie, is well known fact!

    Personally, I don't think either are degree mills, per se. Substandard, I’m sure someone would say yes, especially a person that follows an “RA or nothing” rationale. Unaccredited, yes. Degree mill, I wouldn't go that far. (The position that JNenson467 takes in
    this thread is pretty close to my own position)


    ==>Just my Opinion<==


    Mistakes was made point out the school, and that was clear out> So, Could you be more clear when you said substandard? If is because is not accredited, by no means is easy, it takes a lot work, and it did wll prepared to do my Regional Accredited MBA in Accounting! Opinons are just opinions, They come and go! Just as some poster that come to this forum, I have been around this group for about 8 years now.
     
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  5. tmartca

    tmartca New Member

    Vinipink: Central State University (degree mill) is not in the same category as California Pacific University (State Approved or not accredited but legal degree)

    Vinipink: Clarification Was posted!
    CSU: Columbia State University Degree Mill


    Tmartca: If you noticed, my response was to your initial posting. Your Clarification was made AFTER I posted.

    Tmartca: The issue with Mr. Corral and Tulane involved him using a fake PhD from LaCrosse, not "CSU." And which CSU are we talking about : Charles Stuart U, California State U, Charleston Southern U, Castleton State U, Colorado State U, Columbia State U or Chicago State University?? How about Coppin State University?? Do you mean the Central State U in California or the one in Ohio??RFValve: I you mentioned CSU as a degree that will help you and would not help you, but you only mentioned Charles Stuart U, who is the other CSU? I believe that Vinipink is assuming that the other CSU is Central State U (in CA or OH???).

    Vinipink: Why the complication? I am refering to Columbia State University> A simple clarification would have been enough!

    Tmartca: See above.

    Tmartca: And what exactly is your reasoning (other than longevity) for calling Central State U a degree mill and CPU not a degree mill. Now if you took classes from both schools and then offered an opinion, I might take your degree mill accusation more seriously. Like, for instance, CPU is far better academically then Central State (in CA or OH???) because of Reason 1, Reason 2, etc. But unless you’ve done some in-depth investigation, you calling Central State a degree mill and CPU not a degree mill is unfounded.

    Vinipink: There is search botton that do miracles to do research is this forum! But I was refering to Columbia State University thas is well known degree mill and that is no lie, is well known fact!

    Tmartca: I know about Columbia State and its history. But when I responded, you were talking about Central State, NOT Columbia State.

    Tmartca: Personally, I don't think either are degree mills, per se. Substandard, I’m sure someone would say yes, especially a person that follows an “RA or nothing” rationale. Unaccredited, yes. Degree mill, I wouldn't go that far. (The position that JNenson467 takes inthis thread is pretty close to my own position)

    Vinipink: Mistakes was made point out the school, and that was clear out> So, Could you be more clear when you said substandard? If is because is not accredited, by no means is easy, it takes a lot work, and it did wll prepared to do my Regional Accredited MBA in Accounting! Opinons are just opinions, They come and go! Just as some poster that come to this forum…

    Tmartca: I didn’t say that I thought both are substandard, I stated that a person who thinks that RA is the only way will think that they are substandard due to the lack of accreditation. I explicitly stated that I have a position similar to JNelson467 when he talks about the ODA, degree mills and substandard schools in a related thread. (I provided a link just above “==>Just my Opinion<==”) For me, I care mostly about what is being taught to students, if it happens to be RA then that’s the frosting on the cake. Just try to plan your future and try to decide how important accreditation is to your future endeavors. Sometimes if there is no frosting, the cake simply isn't that good. To others it is fine, frosting or no frosting.


    Vinipink…I have been around this group for about 8 years now.

    Tmartca: Good for you!!! Now next time, open up MS Word, type what you are going to say, AND SPELLCHECK IT. Then copy and paste. SEE :)
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    California approved schools can be horrible degree mills. Here's an example of how worthless, meaningless, and misleading it is to have academic California approval. The below link answers some of the questions asked of Dave also regarding PWU.

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14436

    State approval is a joke! (A sad joke but, a joke none the less.)
     
  7. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Why are you so concern about my spelling? When we write in here is an informal matter. And your pont is? Is common of people to attack other spelling when they run out of bullets, I seen this happen so many times that is not even funny any more.
     
  8. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Somewhere, Gertrude Stein would be smiling if it weren't against her principles.
     
  9. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Bill,

    Thanks for you concerns and opinions, then you may want to advocate to improve the system in California, and may want to take these concerns with the State>Despite your opinion you cannot pin a label to everyone< and for the third time I am not defending and want to be accepted by my choices.

    1) Some of us that hold unaccredited degrees, which are lot. We are aware of the utility, worthless (as you call it) and limitations of such degrees, so is no point to keep putting the finger in the hole. We can open our own club.

    2) We are moving from the original questions, since the poster of this topic indicated the limitation and accreditation issues.

    3) There is war that cannot be win by either side. Main reason for this forum is to educate, exchanges ideas, and of course direct those to the right directions.

    4) Our enemies are those institutions known as Degree mills due to their practices and their way they educated or not. Therefore, our mission is to point out these places even if they are RA. No offense to any other degree holder out there, to me worthless could mean anything, and to set an example; A degree in general studies to me is worthless even if RA (where are you going with this degree). (My opinion only, such as the one Bill has)

    5) I wanted to be honest, with the forum, as other have been.

    6) I was bored to death due to the Hurricane; I have nothing else to do. But normally will no enter this type of debate since is beating a death horse>

    I forgot to use the spell checker and cut and paste again. What terrible speller I am!



    Salud!
     
  10. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Hi Vini

    In general, when I see a post that is full of spelling and grammarical errors from a poster who claims graduate level degrees from an English speaking country, I am suspicious. When the poster advocates degree mills, substandard, or unaccredited schools, my confidence in their ideas or observations drops even lower. While Word can't catch all errors, it can catch most. Just a thought if you want others to take you and your ideas seriously.
     
  11. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster


    Well, that is your perception, I get this from a lot people that their studies are from languages and possible the arts (most the time are secretaries for an Executive to check their grammar). So your concern is noted.

    Nonetheless, I also have considered your observation out context and not relevant to what we are talking in here. I am god with numbers and not grammar period. I don’t to prove anything to anyone, I am not advocating anything, defending anything, and seeking acceptance for anything. You and any body else can believe whatever you want.

    You cannot measure using your eyes or the roof will fall in top of your head, you need a ruler, I am from Spanish speaking country and my second language is English. This making a bilingual person (good or bad). Vini has left the building.
     
  12. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Since there is 10 minutes limit to correct edit. it was hard to correct it back, but what I meant, I am good with numbers. But don't mind being a God for numbers, which I am. :D
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It was not my intent to put you into defensive mode. I do not recall trying to label you or anyone in this thread?

    I've only stated that "state approval" is misleading. PWU is California state approved. If you read the article that I pointed at, then you should know that PWU is a degree mill despite being state approved. I did not say that CPU was degree mill, only that some less informed people would, simply because it is unaccredited. (Or perhaps that was another thread? :confused: )


    P.S. Vinipink, your English is nothing to be ashamed of. It is quite good. I think that you get your point across.
     
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  14. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Hi Vini

    Yes, that is my perception. As you have already discovered it is the perception of some others also. It is not ment as a slight, only something you should be aware of. I am sure ALL of my posts contain multiple errors. Certainly this one does. You responded to another poster here that grammarical errors in posts here say nothing about the post. Many would disagree with that.

    It is in context because it is part of the conversation here. Pretty much all threads cover more than one topic and this thread certainly does.

    You, me, and pretty much all posters here are advocating certain ideas. In this thread you have advocated that unaccredited schools sometimes serve a purpose and that spelling/grammmar does not reflect on posts. I have advocated that State approved schools are more problematic than some realize.

    Thanks for keeping your humor, and your English is 100 times better than my French. :)
     
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  15. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    And a million times better than your Spanish! :D
     
  16. Vinipink

    Vinipink Accounting Monster

    Hey, Bill no problem, I respect your opinion. I just wanted to make sure that others that are reading this topic understand my position. Nevertheless, you and I see each other eye to eye, being both long time posters since alt.distance.learning. I survived Dr. Levicoff; he sure prepared me to take flame. I am sure will survive new and current members flames (Criticisms). In addition, Bill you can call me Vini. Trust me I am not bit ashamed of my English at all. Your feedback is always welcome. Thanks! :D
     
  17. Dr Dave

    Dr Dave New Member

    California Pacific University

    I earned the DBA degree from CPU in 1996. It required completion of 12 courses in business and management, a proposal, the doctoral project, and a proctored comprehensive exam. I don't consider that that caliber of program to be a "degree mill", where one pays a fee, submits "life experiences", and gets the "degree" by return mail. Any implication or suggestion to the contrary is hogwash.

    For two years prior to enrolling at CPU, I had been in the Human & Organizational Development program at The Fielding Institute in Santa Barbara. My company at the time (a defense contractor) was paying tuition, and I was doing very well at Fielding. When the Berlin Wall fell and the Cold War ended, the defense industry imploded. As I left that company, I had three realizations: 1) Based on my two-year experience at Fielding, I knew it would take many years to graduate (I met one fellow who had been in the program for close to 12 years!), as progress there is very slow; 2) The expense would be exorbitant on my personal tab; and 3) I also concluded that general business would be of greater interest to me than organizational behavior. In researching options, CPU fit the bill. I also looked into California Coast University and SCUPS, but deemed CPU to be the best option at the time, and have not regretted it since. In the 90s there were very limited RA options. The distance programs at Nova and Walden universities were very expensive, and Union Institute did not have a business offering at the time, as I recall. Today, there are many options out there.

    CPU's DBA is designed as a professional practitioner's degree emphasizing the practical application of theory in the field. The catalog very clearly states that it is not intended for teaching and research (for creating theory), which are the aims of the PhD in Business or Management.

    At the time I entered the program, I was working full time in a demanding job, had the costs of home ownership and supporting a family, and had two kids in college. So a traditional residency program was, for all practical purposes, out of the question. But at CPU I could do the DBA as a self-paced distance learning option at a low price, while getting a satisfactory quality education, and not suffering an interruption in my career. The degree has stood me in good stead ever since--for example, being a major factor in helping me to attain the position of Chief Operating Officer at a private, for-profit healthcare agency. I should also point out that over the years no employer or recruiter has ever questioned my DBA degree from CPU. Had someone done so, I would simply have stated that the degree was approved by the State of California, and was not an RA degree. (I do have an RA MBA though.) I would recommend CPU to anyone, as it served me so well in my late career.

    Dr. Dave

    BA, University of Massachusetts at Amherst
    MBA, Boston College
    Advanced Certificate in Management (ACM), Boston College
    DBA, California Pacific University
    C.A.M. and CM, Institute of Certified Professional Managers
    CRM, Institute of Certified Records Managers.
     
  18. back2cali

    back2cali New Member

    Hello Dr. Dave

    I have no problem addressing you as Dr. My question is, should'nt a State licensed degree from Alabama such as where I obtained my degree from (Breyer State) be as equivalent as a CPU degree?

    Both are non accredited by a US recognized agency and are approved by a state in the US.

    Just curious.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is utterly false. Breyer State is not "approved" in Alabama. It has a license that allows it to operate, which is entirely different.

    Alabama is currently trying to (a) pull the regulation of these things under the umbrella of the state commission on higher education and (b) tighten the laws to get rid of fake schools. Breyer State is licensed in such a manner.

    California Pacific University has a long history that can be learned. It received Approval from the state back when such a thing actually meant something.

    Comparing the two entitites, Breyer State and CPU, is a stretch indeed.
     
  20. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    After reading the above posts I was curious about Cal Pacific University so I went to their web site - I was surprized that they do not have their catalog on line (it looks like they mail it to you).

    Also since there was some praise for this school I wonder why they do not apply for DETC accreditation - I assume their DBA and PhD programs would prevent their being DETC accredited at this time.
     

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