TUI - Copy of Accreditation Status Report

I did DL for both the MBA and the doctorate level, some hated the residency, but I loved it, for the reasons you state above. The face to face interaction, as well as "putting a name with a face" was invaluable. Anyway, I would strongly recommend an on site visit, for networking, collaboration, etc.

 

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Why is short residency a necessity? Nothing is a necessity? You can interact with your fellow students without the need for short residencies. I am already interacting with few of my fellow students. Just becasue you have short residencies does not mean people are necessarily going to be friends with you. How many friends do many of us really have from their B&M school days? Very little in many cases if any. How many can remember the names of most of their professors and fellow students in their B&M days? The reasons for short residencies are weak but it should be a matter of choice.

I never said you were anti TUI. Real educated people are not anti other schools. I work on a daily basis with many people from schools whose diplomas you cannot read. They are marvelous and they share none of the stuffs I read on this forum.

I think we ought to let WASC do thier job. TUI and TUC would have no choice than to abide by their new accrediting body. We do not know what TUI and TUC are already doing? TUI have seriously revamped their program changing the rules of the game on me. At this time and after 24 credit hours, I cannot jump even if WASC imposes short residencies. It should be noted that while people often can be excused for from residencies, you cannot be excused from live class attendace in its entirety. Just a note.

Have a great day.

Oko

 

Heard From TUI

I sent TUI the previous thread sometime ago, and here is the response. Way to go TUI - seems like they have a plan and feel confident to make the deadline.

I also sent Dr. Watkins the e-mail I received from WASC stating that TUI is not seeking accreditaiton, so the disconnect will hopefully be rectificed.
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Kristie:

Your comments below, which are the results of mis-information and rumor are not factual.

TUI is part of Touro College, New York. We have always been part of Touro College's accreditation. Touro College was just re-accredited through 2009. During the past year of self-study and re-accreditation visits to TUI, the representatives from WASC were involved in the visits and evaluations. The belief is and the recommendation was made that TUI and our sister medical school in Vallejo, California, be separately accredited under WASC since we are physically located in their region.

So the recommendation of MSCHE (middle states) was that we become accredited under WASC within the next year. This is something that has been planned for, anticipated and something for which we are very excited. This means that TUI will be separately accredited under WASC and no longer part of the Touro College accreditation.

This is a transfer of our existing MSCHE accreditation to WASC accreditation. We are very pleased and excited with this development.

This is an orderly process which takes some time to accomplish -- hence the 1 year time frame to accomplish this transition.

Best wishes,

Paul

Paul R. Watkins, PhD
Associate Dean - Faculty, CIS, PhD

 

My question to you is why must you land a job at AACSB accredited school? At the present time, there are less than 500 of them worldwide and most of them are not hiring. Personally that is not sufficient to want AASCB program accredictation. You can do just as well in teaching in other schools. Not all AASCB accredited program are household name schools.

Good idea about TUI and TUC. For the record, TUC got the same recommendation as TUI although people in this forum chose to focus on TUI only.

TUI PHD is good for anything you want it to be and much more better than your suggestions. Just wait till I am done with mine. If you have a degree from ivy league and you are not published in professional journals and strong in research you stand no chance in getting into environments that requires it. Do you think everyone that holds ivy league degree is top in their profession? I have some news for you.

Good day.

Oko

 

Re: Heard From TUI

This demonstrates once more that most people in this forum do not understand accreditation process and ought to simply stop making noises where it is absolutely unnecessary.


Han, I have previosuly responded about MSA web site on Touro College - Master vs PhD issue. The same web site that had Touro as a Master also said it awards PhD. Go figure. I previously posted that in the past.

While I do not believe AASCB or the likes of it should be in the business of accrediting doctoral programs, their web site was very specific and may be still specific about Greenoble being accredited at the Master level only. I merely pointed it out to you that if AASCB is more impotant to you ensure that they are accredited at the doctoral level. That is up to you. I have not gone to the web site since because I have no time for such petty issues.

I careless about AACSB and the likes of it. I do care about, ABA - American Bar, National League of Nursing, AMA, etc accredutations that lead to certifications not money making non value added accreditation.

The more you try to make issue out of TUI the more it becomes clear you do not understand accreditation process. If I feel for one moment that I was in a wrong school that is unlikely to be accredited independently, I will leave but that is not he case with TUI. It is one of the best program out there in my field.

I will use the PhD to go places and solidify my already solid profession. If you simply calm down and let those who run schools and accreditation for a living, you will find out that all the talks here in the past two days were unnecessary.

As usual, I think this issue has been discussed well enough. I will now to go back to my study and my work since I am not smart enough to debate endlessly here, do my work, study and now raise my two weeks old son at the same time.

I will see you online when my summer shool ends in early September if I am not mistaken.

I hope one day we have degreeinfo conference so we can talk all about these issues. Even if it is cyber conference with live links.

 

Re: Re: Heard From TUI

I agree 100%. My business partners and I have been looking at opportunities in India, China, and possibly Japan. Tokyo was a wonderful place to visit but rather expensive. The train pass for foreigners was very useful. Hong Kong was awesome! I wonder how many AACSB MBAs I will find running the successful businesses over there? A handful maybe? Looks like these countries are doing rather well without.

How many Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean universities are AACSB????

Please keep us posted on your Touro educational experiences. I for one would like some face to face and if that is added to TUI I will seriously consider them.

Best of luck!!

Just my opinion

 

Re: Re: Heard From TUI

The nice part is that we agree here. I think you do not understand the Grenoble issue, and spoke very ignorantly about the subject, but I did let you speak your piece and did not try to silence the issue, as I know the school can make it through one persons mis-spoken opinions. So we argree some people do not know the accreditation process and categories, we just disagree on who those people are.

I think there are a great number of people here that understand the accreditation process (it is not rocket science). But, we all can make mistakes. Let me give an example, I remember back about 3 years ago, I was new to the subject and saw a foriegn school did not have accreditation, I ignortantly called it a degree mill (I think it was in Iceland, and it is governmental approval, not outside accreditation), and the board pounced on me (deservedly so), and I learned from it. It makes me realize when "most on this forum" think one way, and I think another, it usually is me that is mis-informed. You have spoken on many things, and I have only seen about 2 threads on this issue, so it has not been over discussed in my opinion.

I would love to see a poll from the TUI students of how they found out about the accreditaiton probation and results (and if they were accurate). That would be interesting.

There is still a disconnect between what TUI is stating and what WASC is stating. The nice part about the accreditation agencies, is they have no bias, in my experience, though sometimes do mis-speak due to communication issue.

Calm down? I didn't realize I came across as not calm, if that is your impression, please be assured I am calm, cool, collected, and like discussion, especially here, with such a diverse group. Again, I think TUI will keep running, even after I post this message, so don't think I am taking the school away from its job.

Lastly, I went to this advanced Power Point class a few months back. I went and did not learn one new thing, some would say it was unneccesary, but I see the experienced showed me that I have mastered the tool. Kind of like this, the discussion may seem unneccesary to you, but many (like me) are learning new things, as well as solidifing other things.

 

Re: Should I continue?

They won't let you stop out for that long. According to the student handbook, you can only stop out for two terms during the entire program.

 

I have been reading, and finally feel compelled to respond. I (a TUI student) am really excited about these changes. I am not viewing them as negative at all. When I was looking for a program, I considered many schools. The final 2 were NSU and TUI. I thought NSU was a better option, but the 100% DL thing was too tempting. Although I chose TUI, I worried about the following things:

The crappy website- they fixed it.
Ease of admission- they got stricter.
The branch campus deal
The name

The last two items seem to be on their way to being changed. I don't want my degree to say anything about a branch campus. Further, I would prefer Touro Univeristy to Touro University International.

About rigor and quality of education, I could not be happier. Believe me, I have not wished for more rigor. I am challenged enough.

When all of this is over, I think it will be clear that TUI will be better for it. That is why I am sticking with it. My sister is enrolled in TUI's undergrad program, and my wife just enrolled in their MBA program. We will all be OK, and in December, one of us will become Dr. Cross.

 

Soon to be Dr. Cross,

It is nice to hear from TUI students, I wish you the best.

Out of curiousity, how did you find out about the probation, and how did you find out about the findings and details. Just curious.

Good lcuk , again.

 

Hi Han,
I am happy to hear of your great experience at Grenoble. It is a fact that TUI needs to hire more faculties to meet with the number of Ph. D’s students. For example, I have three professors serving on my dissertation committee, and TUI has over 100 Ph. D. students. You can do the math by going to TUI’s website to count the number of its faculty and coming up with your own answer of why TUI " will be "at capacity" until this issue is resolved." This is the reason why I only want to attend accredited schools. About AACSB accreditation, I (and all TUI’s business faculties) do believe it is more than an alphabet soup and continue to pursue my school to be accredited by AACSB (please, I do not want to get into arguments about this). In your situation, AACSB saves you ton of money since your employer only pays for school that AACSB accredited. I bet you can buy a lot of alphabet soups with your saved tuition .

In a few previous posts, you have asked other TUI students whether they were notified by TUI about its recent accreditation saga. Han, don't you think that your question is a little unfair to TUI? In 2003, there were more than 200 (this is my wild guess) B&M colleges and universities on probation. How many of these schools did notify their students of the recent accreditation changes. However, they would provide their students with answers if were asked. This is also happening at TUI. In your opinion, you feel TUI and these B&M schools are close of being deceptive. Nevertheless, you have to respect their decisions of not sending mass email to students or displaying on websites the latest accreditation changes. I know you try to help us out by looking into this problems and making sure that we understand the seriousness of the matter. I thank you for your dedicated efforts but want discussions on this serious matter to continue being fair and productive.

 

We agree on this one!! (Though I think we are the minority).

I don't think it is unfair to ask students how they found out. I think if a student enters when the school is RA, then anything changes, it is the responsibility of the school to notify them IMHO. It is much like a worker finding out there business is being sold from the newspaper. Legal, maybe, but crappy to find out that way, yes.

I think a disclosure should have been on the website, or a mass e-mail, at the time (at this time frame, not neccessarily real time).

I think it is a very interesting question you ask on what the other schools did. If somebody wants to post that as a question here, I would be intersted in the answer.

I do respect their decision, and even understand it, but not what I would have done, and not what the literature says to do in a PR crisis situation.

I think you are right, this issue is not going to discussable again until next year, I think.

Have a good one.

 

Han,

I was told about the issues by Dr. Gold, because I have been his GA for about 8 sessions. He is more than forth coming. I agree with you to a point....we should know about any change in accreditation status. But, the status has not changed. We (PhD students) were told that the program was undergoing some changes to meet new accreditation standards. But the accreditation status has not changed. TUI is still RA. I don't think they owe us any more disclosure. If TUI lost accreditation, or did not feel confident that they would be able to secure it on their own, I think it is their duty to disclose. From what I understand, there are rarely any suprises when it comes to accreditation. There is usually an informal assurance before the formal process. TUI feels very confident that they will secure accreditation from WASC. Therefore, it would do nothing but distract students from their studies, and the administration from the rigors of securing this accreditation. I am not worried. When it is all said and done, TUI will be better off. So I welcome these accreditation "issues"

 

I am a TUI student, I first heard about the accrediation issue from TUI. Then I came to the board and the issue was being discussed here as well. It is interesting to read all the post, especially from the people who have never or do not current attend TUI.

I will complete my MBA in June 2005, just before the deadline. I am not worried at all, I know I made the right choice in attending TUI. I think I have learned a great deal since I have been enrolled and enjoy the classes.

I do believe that TUI will be fine when the dust settles.

 

I totally agree with you, publication is one of the key aspects to land a faculty position. As for AACSB, I teach at a AACSB school but in the information systems department and the lack of AACSB accreditation is not an issue since many professors have degrees in engineering or computer science. AACSB is not a must but it helps, the main problem is that the number of PhDs in business is growing and I can see many people with PhDs from good business schools unable to get full time positions and many of them teach at the community college level. I agree that is still possible to get a good job with a TUI degree but you want to get the best you can since it is a jungles out there.

 

Back to the original content of this thread, I received an e-mail today from Mr. Ralph Wolff, an executive director at WASC's Senior College Commission, as follows:

"We are in contact with Touro College, the parent of TUI, and are well aware of the situation. I will be meeting with the leaders of Touro College and the Middle States Association to work out a transition later this month.
While it is true that accreditation takes a number of years, this applies for new institutions. TUI has been in operation for a number of years and already is accredited by the Middle States Association. It was recently visited and evaluated by a team with both Middle States and WASC representatives, so we are familiar with its operations. It thus will not be treated as a new institution but as an already accredited institution. The process to obtain WASC accreditation will therefore not take multiple years but should take less than a year once Touro College has initiated the process. The meeting with Touro College later this month is intended to set into motion the process for that."




I for one will continue to follow up with both WASC and TUI to ensure that the processes are in motion and remain that way until accreditation is granted. It's good to hear from the source(s) concerning the whole TUI accreditation issue and it's especially good to hear that it is positive news.

JJ
TUI Student

 

I agree fully with OKO and will continue my studies at TUI. I am confident that they will meet the ultimatum.

Eli
ABD, Touro University International

 

Thank you too_on for this invaluable information. TUI students should easily read between the lines and figure out that this issue is being handled well by TUI and other parties.

Eli

 

Re: Should I continue?

My advise is to continue your studies. TUI WILL meet the ultimatum. I strongly feel that they are coordinating this matter very well with the other accrediting agencies. It is a transfer of accreditation. THEY ARE VERY MUCH ACCREDITED as we speak. No worries and no big deal.

Eli
ABD, Touro University International