ACICS commissioner has Saint Regis PhD

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by galanga, Mar 22, 2004.

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  1. galanga

    galanga New Member

    ACICS is the "Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools," a CHEA-recognized National Accrediting Organization.

    One of its newly appointed commissioners for its "Commission on Postsecondary School Accreditation" is

    Dr. Michael Davis
    President
    Gwinnett College
    4230 Highway 29, Suite 11
    Lilburn, GA 30047
    (770) 381-7200
    (770) 381-0454 FAX
    E-mail:[email protected]
    Term expires 2006.

    Accoding to the Winter, 2004 edition of the ACICS Criterion (see page 6), Michael Davis holds a "Ph.D. in educational leadership from Saint Regis University."

    Note that Gwinnett county is also home to a number of school teachers with SRU degrees, recently described in the news.

    Gwinnett College is ACICS-approved. I do not know how ACICS manages potential conflicts of interest.

    This is absolutely ridiculous.

    G
     
  2. adireynolds

    adireynolds New Member

    No kidding -- this is insane! I'm speechless.

    You're absolutely right -- what an incredible conflict of interest, and frankly, I think this speaks volumes about Mr. Davis' character. He buys his degree, then is appointed to an accreditation board as important as this one? Sheesh.

    This even rankles me more than the Gwinnett Co. teachers for some reason.
     
  3. George Brown

    George Brown Active Member

    Ready, steady....

    BOOOOM!!!!

    Cheers,

    George
     
  4. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    And all the righteous indignant start hurling 'em stones........

    Maybe we could follow the lead of so many civilised countries and stone the culprits by first burying them up to their neck or torso.

    I watch in anticipation and trepidation for the outcome here.

    B.
     
  5. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member


    Gee, I can't imagine why it would be a problem that a commissioner of a CHEA recognized accrediting agency has an unaccredited doctorate from a school that some, including the State of Oregon, have called a degree mill.

    Your hyperbole is ridiculous.
     
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  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Sorry, but the holder of the fake degree is the one who made this an issue, not someone who might contact ACICS to alert them of it. That goes for anyone advertising their fake degrees, not just public figures or people in the field of education. Don't shoot the messenger. "Shoot" the one committing the fraud.
     
  7. galanga

    galanga New Member

    next to the cigarettes is the accreditation fax machine

    Hi Bozzy,

    I think it would suffice for the fellow to declare he had undergone multiple lapses in jdgement and quietly slink off while the ACICS people explain that they really didn't mean to appoint someone like that (with an SRU degree!!) to help them evaluate schools' credentials.

    You don't really think that SRU is on a par with accredited schools, do you? (Yes, I know, someone in a DC convenience store sent them a fax saying they were a cool school. But that doesn't make it so.)

    G
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Someone hit Laura Callahan with a rock? :rolleyes:
     
  9. George Brown

    George Brown Active Member

    Yeah, but did it make a mark, or even better, knock some sense into her?

    Cheers,

    George
     
  10. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    JEFF wrote

    It is accredited albeit not RA.

    G. wrote

    Your interpretation.

    By the way I like the whole G. thing.(like some rapper)

    Yo yo G.

    B.
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Columbia State was "accredited" also, but do you think it was legitimate accreditation?
     
  12. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    And if you can't trust the regime of a genocidal maniac to fairly evaluate a university, who can you trust?
     
  13. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    Re: next to the cigarettes is the accreditation fax machine

    I'm just curious - was this really an appointment or was he elected by the ACICS members? It doesn't make it less embarassing, but perhaps he was elected on the basis of his record rather than on his academic credentials.

    For the record, I am not with ACICS, do not have an SRU degree and really have no vested interest in this other than curiousity about the process.

    Mary A
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    bozzy, what is this supposed to mean? Are you saying that academic frauds only need some love and understanding?
     
  15. bozzy

    bozzy New Member

    Bill,

    Here is some free advice.

    You need to be careful of the phrase "academic fraud" which you so clearly love to use. People get sued over much less provocative utterings. The Internet is no longer a place to make these slanderous statements and think nothing will come of it.

    WIth regard to Dr Davis'situation and for that matter other people (easily identified) described in this forum as frauds, we must take into account that each situation is unique, in that we do not always know what the individual has presented to obtain said credential. Before you know the facts it is quite incorrect to offer what could easily be inaccurate conjecture.

    B.
     
  16. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    Your threats are very frightening!

    But can you show me one case where anyone has ever been successfully sued for asking a question? That's all Bill did.

    By the way, I don't doubt that you will threaten to sue me for asking this question, but what is your relationship to St. Regis?
     
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  17. amused

    amused member

    oh...oh! Watch out, Bozzy; here comes the Degreeinfo Inquisition...
     
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    In my opinion:

    St. Regis is a mill.

    Anyone who uses a St. Regis degree for anything other than humor is an academic fraud.

    People who feel threatened by calling St. Regis degree holders academic frauds probably have dubious degrees themselves or are shills for the dubious instutiuons.

    The Gwinnett College website makes my head hurt.

    Sue me if you want, I really don't care.
     
  19. adireynolds

    adireynolds New Member

    This has now hit the Chronicle of Higher Education:

    "They've got a pretty good Web site," Mr. Davis said. "I wrote up about 26 pages of my experiences in the business world and they gave me a lot of credit for that." He said he also wrote four 10- to 20-page papers and a thesis that was more than 60 pages long.

    At first, Mr. Davis said, he was suspicious of Saint Regis, especially when he learned that he could receive his Ph.D. in so little time. That's why he "researched the crap out of it," he said, sending e-mail messages to the Liberian embassy to verify that it had government approval in that country. Mr. Davis said he heard through an acquaintance that Saint Regis was accepted by the State of Georgia as legitimate. "I thought, if the State of Georgia is going to approve it, why would I question it?" Mr. Davis said."

    and

    As for Mr. Davis, who said he paid about $3,000 for the degree, he said he was not sure now whether Saint Regis was legitimate and he planned to look into the matter more thoroughly. When asked if he might have been fooled by Saint Regis, he responded: "I could have. I certainly could have."

    He was appointed to the board in June, and received the degree in October.

    http://chronicle.com/prm/daily/2004/03/2004032401n.htm
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Free advice from an anonymous, bozzy!

    Anyone claiming a degree from SRU is pretending to have earned an academic credential from a scam and a con-artist's creation. It is impossible to get a real degree from someplace like that. It's true that individual situations can be different. For example, someone might get an SRU degree as a joke or as part of an investigation. I wouldn't call them academic frauds.

    Bozzy, if you are threatening to sue me then perhaps it would easier for you if you told me your real name and what kind of degree you're claiming and I may be happy to oblige you by calling you an academic fraud. I mean I don't really care what your name is but, I could call some anonymous guy anything in the book and he probably wouldn't be able to sue for libel because it is likely legally impossible for an anonymous alias to ever have their reputation damaged? :D
     

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