Rep Andy Ogles, economist (not)

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  1. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That one course, even with a "C" probably makes him MORE qualified than about 62% of people who call themselves economists. :)
     
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Lied about having a graduate degree. Lied about his law enforcement experience. Lied about what he majored in as an undergraduate. You know, the usual.
     
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And now he's in Congress --- lying for his constituents? He also romped right through his Bachelor's (in 17 years) with a 2.4 GPA. Stellar! :(
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It took me 17 years to do my PhD. Of course, that was with a huge gap. Oh, and my GPA was nonexistent. My Union program didn't include grades or credit hours. My transcript has subjects taken, but that's it. Back then, it was optional to have credit hours on your transcript, but I didn't care and thought it defeated the purpose of the self-designed, learner-centered spirit of the program back then. That's all gone now, of course.

    Oh, and my transcript from Leicester doesn't have them, either. That's because they don't transcript the doctorate at the university level in the UK. You take courses in a "taught" program like mine, but no grades and the credits are via the British system. Instead of the university issuing a transcript, it's up to the individual school (i.e. the School of Management) to transcript your degree (only upon request), while the university verifies that you have that degree. Because that's the thing that matters.
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    No, still just for himself.
     
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  7. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    It's interesting that so frequently, the people who come up with these lies could absolutely achieve the real thing. Ogles could have completed a degree in economics through distance learning. He was a reserve deputy who after being sworn didn't participate further until his commission was revoked, even though he could have completed the training required. He could have sought out opportunities to work human trafficking investigations and written on tax policy.

    I don't meet the medical requirements to join the military or the police which is very frustrating (as much as there are issues with the military and police in the US). It's doubly annoying to see people who do have opportunities, squandering them, and then lying about it.
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, Rich. Understood - totally. But you earned your Bachelor's in about ONE year, IIRC. And, I'm sure, with way better grades than Rep. Ogle.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It was 18 months from first credit to last.

    My undergrad GPA was nothing great: 3.4. My MBA wasn't all that great, either: 3.8.

    I hate grades. When we try to determine how much above standard people are, inflation is always a threat, and the standards are all over the place. Quantifying this gives the illusion of objectivity and accuracy, but the reality regarding grades is...neither of those.

    If I had my way, all schools (and workplace performance evaluations) would be Pass/Fail/Distinction, with "Distinction" going to a very few. Too much energy and ego are spent on distinctions with no real differences. And no matter what the scale employed, people will see loss, not gain. Let's say you have a 5-point system where:
    • 1 Fail
    • 2 Marginal
    • 3 Satisfactory
    • 4 Excellent
    • 5 Outstanding
    If you score someone a "4" in their performance, they don't think "Excellent." They want to know where they failed to prevent "Outstanding." They don't see 4 out of 5; they see -1.

    Most of life is Pass/Fail. There's a reason for that.
     
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  10. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    That's the system used at Swedish universities.
     
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  11. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Also the Quantic model. The options were Pass with Distinction (top 10% of the cohort), Pass, or Fail.
     
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  12. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    That's the most common grading system - U (underkänd), G (godkänd) and VG (Väl godkänd), or fail, pass and pass with distinction. But there are other systems too. In engineering programmes, U is fail and the pass grades are 3,4 and 5 - pass, pass with merit, pass with distinction. At faculties of law, the grading system is U, B (pass), Ba (pass with credit) and AB (pass with distinction). In medical education, the grading system is often U/G, or pass/fail. No such thing as GPA in Sweden, no First Class with distinction, First class etc.
     
  13. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    Ooops, I wanted to edit the post a bit, my apologies for the double post.
     

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