An AI Lawyer Is About to Defend a Human in a U.S. Courtroom

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    An AI Lawyer Is About to Defend a Human in a U.S. Courtroom

    https://news.yahoo.com/ai-lawyer-defend-human-u-021417608.html

    Niamh Rowe
    Updated Jan. 14, 2023 2:53AM ET / Published Jan. 13, 2023 9:14PM ET
    "When going to traffic court, the costs of wrangling an attorney to help plead your case can often exceed the ticket fine itself. And that’s assuming you can find a lawyer to take on such a low-stakes case. So why not skip legal fees altogether, and take counsel from artificial intelligence?

    That’s a solution Joshua Browder, CEO of consumer-liberation startup DoNotPay, is testing out next month, when his company will pay two defendants going to traffic court up to $1,000 each to wear smart glasses that will double up as their attorneys."
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Interesting. Joshua Browder, founder of DoNotPay is the son of Bill Browder, well-known businessman who was very badly treated by the Russian Government.

    Question: What makes them lawyers? What Law School did they graduate from? When were they admitted to the Bar? Do they have malpractice coverage?
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Dang that 10-min. timer. I meant to say: Bill Browder was banned from Russia and termed an "enemy of the State" for exposing Russian Government corruption. I believe significant assets of Bill Browder's companies were illegitimately confiscated.
    Article here - one of many, re Mr. Browder Sr. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/24/kremlin-critic-bill-browder-recounts-escaping-a-russian-plot-against-him.html

    In reality, I can easily see such a device being very useful in minor matters. Done right, they could deliver good results, save time and cost. Good for the younger Mr. Browder. I wish him every success.

    Gotta run now. Got an appointment with my AI doctor. I just KNOW she's gonna tell me no more muffins! :)
     
  4. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I'll be interested to see if they can even do this. Joshua Browder doesn't seem to be aware/is ignoring the fact that electronic devices are generally banned from courtrooms. His original idea was to have people wear earpods into the courtroom and he was rightly mocked on Twitter for the suggestion.
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I missed that completely. Thanks for pointing it out. Maybe that's why the idea is now "Smart Glasses" but I think they'd come under the same objection. We'll soon see, I have no doubt.
     
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My understanding this is used for small issues, such as disputing traffic tickets.
    It also can be an advising tool, when unofficial legal advise is needed.
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes. I read that too - but it's an ELECTRONIC DEVICE. In any courtroom, that's largely a no-no. That seems to be what Joshua Browder forgot, and I forgot. Mr. Browder was mocked for his original idea, earbuds, on Twitter. Thankfully, I don't have a Twitter account. I get mocked here, where people are much nicer about it. :)
     
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  8. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    They got it to indict a ham . . . radio.
     
  9. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    I think it can definitely be used to input details about a case and the AI spit out related case law and potentially a "strategy" to employ. I anticipate a "reckoning" at some point related to how we use technology and the erosion of "too much" of what we consider the human experience (how we trust, relate to others, values, etc.). I think there is definitely a fine line between where technology of this nature will add value and begin to detract from what we think is important for our daily work and institutions.
     
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  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The device doesn't seem to be doing the defending. Rather, it seems to be advising the defendants how best to defend themselves. Well, why not? I'm retired (at last) but I used all sorts of computer power in my legal career.
     
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  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What? Congratulations!
     
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, at 68 it was past time. Thank you for your congratulations.
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Let me add my congrats, nosborne. And may you have a happy, healthy retirement, long enough to AT LEAST match your working years. I believe that's what's called "work-life balance" --- isn't it? :)

    (Btw - next July 12th I achieve that - 30 years of work, 30 years of retirement.)
     
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  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I thought Canadians finally just leave you on an ice flow?
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh! But modern ice flows all have broadband these days, don't they?
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's "floe" and I believe it's a pre-contact Inuit tradition. Anyway, south of Baffin Island - not a problem.
    I'd actually like to see it come back - just for Ontario Premier Doug Ford. :(
     
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  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I bought my trailer insurance from Floe I think.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Can't find Floe Insurance. There's a Flow Insurance Co. in UK. There's a Canadian Co - Sonnet Insurance that insures FLO members at a discount. They don't specify further. There are 24 meanings for FLO in Acronym Finder. In Canada it can mean "Fisheries Liaison Officer." Or "For Ladies Only." Or a bunch of other things. There is a FLO company in Canada. Its main business is building and operating recharging stations for electric cars.

    I have no idea who insured your trailer, nosborne. A riddle, wrapped inside an enigma, within a mystery - or whatever the guy said. I think "the guy" was Sir Winston Churchill - but I'm not sure of anything at this point. :)
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Should have occurred to me, Johann...sorry. "Flo" is a comic fictional sales agent in Nationwide Insurance ads. The campaign is successful enough that people here sometimes refer to buying their insurance policy "from Flo". Similar thing years ago for MetLife and Snoopy. But Nationwide doesn't operate in Canada so you wouldn’t have seen the ads.
     
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think they might have, many years ago. Or there was a Canadian co. with a similar name. I can remember as a kid, rewriting a slogan: "Call Nationwide - they'll strip your hide." I was about 10. I think it was insurance - haven't thought about it for a couple-three generations.... :confused:
     
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