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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Where? They're certainly expressly forbidden in Spain and I'm pretty sure in most / all of Latin America. I'm pretty certain I can find a SINAES-recognized prohibition against any unapproved degrees higher than a Master's. CONESUP? Do you happen to know? I'm gonna need chapter and verse on this. When I get time, I'll also check the Mexican higher ed. legislation. I've got a link to the text somewhere.

    I think we went through this before, with Mexico. I do remember having to plow through it.
     
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  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    My guess is that you read spanish, check the legal aspect of Mexican RVOE from the Mexican minister of education site:

    https://www.gob.mx/sep/acciones-y-programas/reconocimiento-de-validez-oficial-de-estudios-rvoe#:~:text=¿Qué consecuencias tiene para los,un título y cédula profesional.

    " La Ley General de Educación no establece prohibición expresa para las instituciones particulares de obtener el RVOE, sin embargo, los particulares que imparten estudios sin RVOE tienen la obligación de mencionar en toda su publicidad que hagan y documentación que emitan su calidad de no incorporados, para evitar engaños a los estudiantes y sus padres. El incumplimiento de esta disposición puede derivar en la imposición de las sanciones previstas en el Artículo 77 de la Ley en la materia. "


    The law does not forbid an institution from give any program ("it does not say bachelors, masters or doctorates") that is not accredited as long as it is disclosed to the prospect students.

    My interpretation is that Azteca is compliant as it does state that these degrees are not officially recognized. However, there is a very thin line between legal and ethical.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think - in several countries, in practice, it boils down to "our backs are turned as long as you only sell to foreigners." Thanks for looking up the law. To me, it says exactly what you said it did.
     
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  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Título_propio

    For CONESUP
    "Para los estudios que se realizan a tiempo completo, in situ, en idioma español en Costa Rica existe la posibilidad de que las Universidades Costarricenses soliciten la aprobación adicional de CONESUP Programas de estudios que no son obligatorios ni pueden obtenerse en programas de estudios Internacionales, en línea y salir del país en cooperación con otros proveedores de aprendizaje."
    "Costa Rica también prescribe en el Artículo 79 de la Constitución de la República que las Universidades privadas aprobadas del país son libres de ofrecer Programas académicos (y los grados emanados) sin necesidad de nuevos procedimientos en caso de cooperar con proveedores educativos extranjeros."


    Costa Rican Universities can grant propio degrees if they are granted with the cooperation of international institutions. They are legal and according to the Costa Rican law.
     
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  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is business. In Costa Rica, you are not required to pay taxes for a company that sells to foreigners only. It is a tax heaven for online casinos, and online businesses in general. Basically the policy is "if it brings me money and does not affect me, let it be".
     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Una política de no intervención. ¡Manos fuera del dinero! (A hands-off policy. Hands off the money! ) :)

    FINAL SCORE: Johann - 0. Rich Douglas -1. RFValve - 4? 5? :)
     
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  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    This is not only for Latin America but also some European Countries. Once I had a friendly conversation with Henrik, the owner of Knightsbridge University. He told me that he moved to Denmark because it was legal for him to grant degrees there as the law did not require him to be accredited.
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is a specific type of incorporation that has been common throughout the Caribbean and Central America (and a few other small countries in other regions). Usually that type of incorporation exempts the company not only from taxation but from large swaths of regulation as well. For example, Dominica used to have this (leading to the 8 Copthall group) but discontinued it a while back.

    I believe it's the case for Belgium and Iceland as well.
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - nice farm house. And it worked for him - for a long, long time. And there was that famous "school" in France... you know... :) the "École supérieure, etc." ...
     
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, thanks for bringing this up. I think the Mexican, Nicaraguan, Costa Rican and Spanish operations are more successful because some Universities are listed in the UNESCO book, this makes them useful for some foreign students. The European operations might be legal but cannot be used in the local country because they are not listed.
    However, it looks like Germany and other European countries do not recognize these propio degrees and others might follow. It is just a matter of time before the other countries catch up.
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yep. In Germany it's "Spiel ist aus!" (Game over!) the minute they see a Groupon! :)
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Germany doesn't even recognize regionally accredited MBA degrees unless the program has AACSB, so they're not really a median measurement for this sort of thing.

    Citation needed.
     
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  13. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Very interesting. I did not know that. Germans are pretty stringent (not saying their approach is necessarily objectively justified).
     
  14. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I need a Groupon for CalSouthern. Mind...the whole Groupon thing for Proprio degrees is funny but heck I would accept a Groupon for NCU/Azteca.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    My experience has been that, while true, it understates the problem. Because so much credential fakery goes on, it's all "crack" to be fallen through. The distinction you're making (which I accept as true, but I don't know better) isn't one that would be made by most people....unless they rely on a foreign credential evaluation service that does.

    There's a reason John Bear and Allen Ezell called diploma mills a "billion dollar industry." (Actually, they used the term "degree mills" because only one person on the planet makes a distinction between the two terms.)
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    You didn't know? Heck yeah! There's one really old guy on the forum, who has said "AACSB or the Autobahn" about eight times.
    Clue: He has a German forum-name but he's a FAKE German. :) I think he's a Brit, originally - lives in Canada now.

    Here are his quotes. https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?search/33598719/&q=AACSB+or+the+Autobahn&o=date&c[user][0]=4621
     
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  17. Nice attempt to try drawing Levicoff back on.
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Hardly. He's certainly above that.
     

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