A Sign That Tuition Is Too High: Some Colleges Are Hacking It in Half

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  1. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

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  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    As enrollments continue to decline and new student loans dry up, expect even more tuition drops. Also, expect more school closings.
     
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  3. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    :(
     
  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    In the future, every University will be Taco Bell.
     
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  5. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Didn't you ever watch Idiocracy? Not Taco Bell, Costco is where you go get your degree.
     
  6. LevelUP

    LevelUP Active Member

    They didn't really cut tuition. They adjusted the tuition rates to reflect what most people really pay.

    Some of these colleges have professors with tenure and large pension plans. They aren't able to cut tuition.

    Colleges such as SNHU pay their adjuncts less than minimum wage. That's why they are cheaper than other colleges despite their large marketing budgets.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Employers who pay less than minimum wage should be prosecuted off the planet. No exceptions.
     
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  8. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    I would change that to say any employer who pays less than a liveable wage... which from what I've seen is always higher than the minimum wage. It's ridiculous that businesses are allowed to pay so little and force the public to subsidize the wages. If an employer is not able to pay livable wages they probably should not be hiring people until they have a profitable business model that allows for livable wages.
     
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Agree 100%. But let's start with the worst - the under-minimum crowd - and work our way up this parasitic food chain. The very idea of colleges - of all possible employers - participating in this sort of scam, sham and shame - (OML - I'm channeling Levicoff) is repellent to me. The purpose of such institutions is to raise people up - so they can better their lives. Not to exploit them (as they often do with students, in other financial ways).
     
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  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What happens to those people whose skills aren't worth as much as you would prefer they be paid?
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If their work is worth anything - it's worth a liveable wage. No exceptions. It's part of what makes a country "developed." There's some argument about what that wage is -- but SweetSecret is right - it's definitely more than the minimum in most jurisdictions. One problem here is the drying up of low-wage jobs - the lifeline of those who don't have much in the way of skills. The people who used to work as gas jockeys etc.

    I've refused to buy at several stores lately -Walmart is one of them - that have installed a bunch of self-checkout machines so they don't have to pay cashiers any more. Most Dollar Stores have gone the same way, here. It's bad enough that money I spend there ends up in China's pocket. Now they kill jobs and I have to check my own stuff out? No way.
     
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  12. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    Agreed! Making people work for less than a livable wage just to have some creature comforts without all of the basic creature comforts is exploitation.

    Personally, I am a big proponent of basic income. When people have their basic needs met they think more clearly, can take time to learn, be creative, and increase their skillset. That can lead to people taking on jobs they may have previously not qualified for, looking for employers who value them more, and starting their own businesses... because they have time to find their own value in a world where they were previously undervalued. If I am going to pay taxes, I prefer it actually going to making people happy with a basic income... not still scrounging just to survive.

    P.S. Johann, I also avoid self-check-outs. I have been known to leave stores when I see the stores are forcing customers to use them. It's also ironic that recent news reports came out showing theft is more common at self-checkouts: https://www.google.com/search?q=self+checkout+theft&sxsrf=ALiCzsYU04R7YrkmkmAzw1eC5UFpEk5fZg:1671566640804&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7s9_-_oj8AhWyIX0KHX_CAbsQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1680&bih=889&dpr=2
     
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  13. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I like self checkouts in the US for one big reason: I can't trust cashiers to bag my items properly. And it's usually not an option to say "No, I'll bag my own stuff." I'll put my stuff on the belt in a certain order and the cashiers will reach over the pile of items right in front of them to grab a bag of potatoes to put on top of my eggs. Okay, I exaggerate. But only slightly.
     
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  14. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    At least then poor, slow, unfriendly service that leaves a bad taste in the mouth and upsets the stomach will make sense.
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And continue to cost WAY more than it should. :( Plus, NEVER use a University self-checkout. I think the machines are rigged by the same people who do the slot machines in the Casinos.
     
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's a shame. Here, usually I find doing my own is an option. Some places, they always ask. When I've had to ask, I can't recall ever being refused.
     
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  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    A society decides what each skill set is worth. There is no inherent reason a teacher or a paramedic (or a sandwich artist, for that matter) is not "worth" enough to adequately feed, clothe, and shelter oneself. We convinced ourselves that this is good and "natural".
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good - yes. Natural - not universally, it seems. I'd like it to be, though and I support it.
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That is demonstrably untrue.
     
  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    We are talking about transaction amounts between people, which is always decided on. In a "market", that's a collective decision of body economic, or "society". So what I say is tautologically true. I think what you are trying to say is that society always decides "correctly" on some objective standard. This is, I think, demonstrably false.
     

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