Is the EIU legit?

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  1. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    LearningAddict,

    Here is just one sample:

    SpanTran, a NACES member:

    "Institutional accreditation is carefully checked before any evaluation is released. SpanTran does not knowingly evaluate documents from diploma mills, unaccredited institutions, institutions lacking government recognition, or institutions with candidacy for accreditation. The concept of accreditation, however, is subject to the governmental policies of the educational system under review and may seem arbitrary to those unfamiliar with the credentialing process."

    Link: https://spantran.com/web/company-policies
     
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  2. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    @LA,

    SpanTran has this: "SpanTran does not knowingly evaluate documents from diploma mills, unaccredited institutions, institutions lacking government recognition, or institutions with candidacy for accreditation."

    https://spantran.com/web/company-policies

    Some of these evaluators may not have mentioned Isabel, and may not have received Isabel documents, but still knew about ENEB's partnership with Isabel. That could have had the impact you're referring to.
     
  3. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Crap, you beat me to it! Day ruined!
     
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  4. tadj

    tadj Active Member

  5. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    If you're referring to the Oficial vs. Propio rule, I'm surprised it took as long as it did. Will certainly cut down on verifying. In reality, that will mostly only matter for official positions (government, etc) because general employers in Spain don't give a damn, but that's probably why the rule was put in place, lots of people sneaking through or at least trying to with propios into government positions. Gotta follow the rules, Muchachos.
     
  6. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    Validential lives up to its name by seemingly evaluating programs and schools more for legitimacy instead of how they are accredited in their country's origins. They are willing to give a regionally accredited equivalency if schools and/or programs are certified to some degree, are legally operating, and are not diploma mills. Credential inflation is booming with all of these unaccredited programs from MOOCs, tech boot camps, and others being sufficient enough to put on a resume and enhance a career. Accreditation will always be an issue academically but even what would have been considered yesterday's diploma mill is becoming today's legitimate and/or accredited school or program.
     
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  7. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    I have no idea how they engage in the evaluations, but I do see the results and I am not impressed. They offer “next day evaluations” and this time frame is supposed to be sufficient to go over a curriculum of an unaccredited school and confirms its equivalency according to U.S. standards? I wonder how that works. What's the basis for upgrading/transforming the status of schools in other countries?
     
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    tadj Active Member

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  9. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Makes sense. If you guys find any others, please let me know. I've tried myself but haven't come up with anything except for in the link below.

    WES evaluates unaccredited degrees and will turn out a "U.S. non-accredited" evaluation result, so at least that part of SpanTran's position may not be shared amongst all evaluators.

    SpanTran and IERF may be a couple of special cases, because according to the following document (page 43) they don't recognize propios at all:

    https://www.taicep.org/taiceporgwp/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Evaluating-Credentials-with-a-Global-Mindset-The-Discussion-Continues.pdf

    Looks like SpanTran recommends credit, but that's a suggestion to institutions rather than a formal evaluation students can use.

    I do take exception to the "not recognized" language in the link. Propios are recognized in Spain with specific laws to address them, they're just not registered like Official degrees are and have lesser oversight as is the point of an "own title" that a school develops on its own.
     
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  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Unaccredited MOOCs?
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Struggling here. Yesterday's diploma mill is identical to today's diploma mill. Yesterday's "legitimate and/or accredited" school has changed little today.

    The one exception: most legitimate, unaccredited schools considered to be "nontraditional" in the '70s and '80s have since become accredited or have gone out of business. A few exceptions remain, mostly in California, but even that's changing. There is little reason for a school to remain unaccredited anymore, but back then it was very hard for nontraditional schools to get anywhere with the regional associations.

    The lag time involved with the RAs catching up gave DEAC the room to step in and begin accrediting a lot of them. For a long time, that's where they remained. It was decades before any school successfully progressed from DEAC accreditation to RA. But even that's changing.
     
  12. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member


    I believe many of these evaluators have changed their perspectives or policies on the Master Titulo Propio. This document is from six years ago and I actually contacted SpanTran about my Ph.D. from Azteca/UCN who I know has given at least one of our member's full recognition for their UCN degree several years back. They believe that there may be an issue with that program (partnership) as far as documentation so they didn't think I should use their service but they did say they would evaluate Master Titulo Propios although not specifically for ENEB as I did not ask them about ENEB in particular. I have a feeling though that they may have a similar issue with Universidad Isabel I / ENEB considering that their program is a partnership validation situation just like the Azteca/UCN partnership would be.

    Also, propios in general seem to be evaluated by several evaluators who do so as continuing education. I've contacted an AICE evaluator and they stated they evaluate based on program length and number of credits but not degree. A couple of other evaluators from NACES I contacted have the same stance. There are also at least 3 that I have researched or reached out to from NACES who will not evaluate propios at all. It is definitely a mixed bag.
     
  13. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Hey, do you recall who that member was? I remember that John Rogers had his UCN PhD evaluated as RA equivalent by IEE.

    They seemed to have a pretty cut and dry position on propios from that older document. Could've changed by now, but these evaluators seem to be pretty inflexible.

    I bet they're going to give anything at 60 ECTS as less than a Master's degree. A number of evaluators appear to take the stance that if it's 60 ECTS (equal to 1 year) it's something less than a Master's but see it differently if it's an oficial degree, never mind even if the propio and the oficial degree both have the same curriculum. I do wonder how they would treat propios that have thesis requirements like some that San Jorge has had? Would that change anything? I wonder.
     
  14. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    The member who received his PhD in Management from UCN back in 2015 did his evaluation with SpanTran but the university he wanted to work at did not accept it so he had to get a second FCE from another evaluator which I believe was ERES. I don't remember his forum name.
     
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  15. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    From sending an email to just about all the evaluators on the NACES list, I found that all that refuse to evaluate Azteca and UCN were established in March 1987 which were among the first evaluators at the same time as WES. There are 7 in all that were established at that time and are still around. I believe they all use the same blacklist of schools. The second oldest was established in April 1989 and actually gave one of our forum members full recognition for UCN about a year or two ago.

    I would make the assumption that the younger evaluation comapnies are always the most progressive but that is not the case because Globe Language Services refuse to evaluate Propio degrees. I'm not sure how they will view Azteca/UCN either but I won't take any chances with them considering they require you to mail in your documents and will not give any preliminary information about rather or not a school will be evaluated.
     
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  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I've written before about the inane evaluation I received from WES regarding my doctorate from Leicester. What I'm grateful for is that no one ever questions the degree and the university. It stands on its own merits, the advantage of attending a well-known school from a well-regarded system.
     

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