Harvard Grad - Quit law job due to mental health...

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I worked for 30 years - have been retired for almost 30. In some few months, that'll be PERFECT balance. :)
     
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  3. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I am a full-time single parent, full-time professional, and part-time graduate student; the only way for me kicking is by working from home and hitting the gym at least 1.5 hours per day. I also homeschool my kids due to my son with ADHD. I also have a beautiful view of midtown and downtown Atlanta from my home office, which provides a lot of stress relief. I used to live in a big house, and working from home surrounded by walls led to isolated feelings.
     
  4. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    No position, company, manager, or money is worth your mental health. I would rather be happy making 30k (if it can cover my expenses) than making 150k and unhappy. Money isn't everything.
     
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  5. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Yes, money is everything, or nothing depends on an individual. For me, money is everything because I like to have a nice place that can help me relieve my stress. However, I would not go for more money if I had to be in the office all the time because I had to take care of the kids. As long as you can manage your work and life balances, then go for the money. You should not be a Financial Analyst with a $200k salary and bonus, but you have to work 120 hours plus per week.
     
  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I'm not downplaying the importance of money. My point is that some people chase money and have no work-life balance.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The basis of quiet quitting.
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's odd how that's become a synonym for "only giving employers what they pay for", but there it is.
     
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  9. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    Money cannot buy everything, particularly health once it starts to decline. Unfortunately, it's hard to drive that point into youth when they still feel great, but those of us who are older can see where their destructive habits (food/exercise/work) choices will lead. That's particularly a difficult thing to inform someone of who does not come from wealth and is making choices they think will lead to wealth at their yet unrealized health expense(s).
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I agree. It's a misnomer.

    I'm sure I've posted this elsewhere, so here's the short version: work is an exchange of capital between employees and employers. Employers have, traditionally, rewarded workers in two ways. One, their pay and benefits packages. Two, an opportunity to move up. In return they get (a) work and (b) more work. The expectation was that employees would strive to excel so they could get ahead. But I believe the pandemic fundamentally changed the way some people see their relationship to their work (and with their employers), deciding that other things in life were more important than spending all that extra effort for an often-meek and -weak opportunity for advancement (and often to a job that is worse). Employees are essentially saying, "I'll do what it takes in this job and that's it."

    This is coupled with the fact--FACT--that too many supervisors are utterly inept at setting expectations, measuring results, and holding people accountable. In fact, those high achieving employees were the ones setting the expectation with their all-out efforts. But what if the employees don't do that? Then it's up to the employer to do it. And I said, so many of them are terrible at it.

    So, what to do? Blame the employee for "quiet quitting" instead of taking responsibility to, again, set expectations, measure results, hold employees accountable and to reward accordingly.

    This is what I do for a living, and that's my perspective.
     
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  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    That's nice. Did he have any student loan debt that the taxpayers will have to cover?
     
  12. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Maybe it won't be more than 10k, but he, too, is a taxpayer.
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't think there's any individual blame or guilt to be assigned to this man, for whatever anyone feels is wrong with the student loan / loan forgiveness system (and there's LOTS wrong.) After all, he's still practising law - his own firm, specializing in legal work for content creators. His action was not to "escape" financial obligations. As Julian says - he wears a lot of hats. Get your millinery fix here: https://www.juliansarafian.com/

    This is an interesting guy. Not an over-degreed panhandler. Not a financial escape artist of any kind.
     
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  14. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    No offense, but actually, money can buy health. Ask Canadians who pay for their own medical treatments in the United States instead of waiting for Government approval for their procedures. With money, I don't have to work a 9-5 job; I can hit the gym every day, hire a nanny to take care of my kids, and hire a maid to take care of my house. It helps to remove a lot of my stress and energy. Trust me, I was born in a chicken coop and grew up in poverty. At one point, I have no more than two pairs of socks. The kids in my high school were able to afford a gym membership, while I couldn't. They could purchase healthy foods, and I couldn't.
     
  15. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Haha! Why did Queen Elizabeth II die if money could buy her health?

    Money can afford you good healthcare, but it can't buy you health. That's beyond the scope of money and medicine. Also, I think the U.S. has among the best healthcare in the world, albeit with the ridiculous cost. Even if you can't afford it, to the best of my knowledge, you cannot be denied medical care at any hospital (i.e., ER). Even if you get stuck with a huge bill, access to quality care is usually not an issue.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Perhaps it would better to say that "health" is not a single item and thus cannot simply be purchased, while also saying that many inputs to good health can be influenced by throwing money at them, or by having enough money to solve other problems, like having the time to engage in healthy activities.
     
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  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I live in Canada, I am 52 and hardly use my health care card. The bottom line balance and harmony. I got sick in my 30s often because of stress and anxiety, once this was removed illness, became a rare occurrence. You dont need money if you dont get sick and have a healthy life style. When I used to make lots of cash, I used to spend it in alcohol, drugs and women, this just harmed me. No money might be not so bad after all.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    When I was 52 - neither did I. When I got to 72 I did. It got me through open heart surgery at 72 and cancer surgery at 77. And at no cost. If I'd had to pay for both -- low 6 figures for sure. That'd be tough, on an old age pension!

    RFValve - I hope you're spared this kind of thing FOREVER but -- you never know. Both my thingies were sudden-onset and came as a surprise. But if you DO need care - that card is the best thing in the world. They operated successfully on my heart, my shoulder - and saved my poor sad ass, financially.

    When you're sick, having one less thing to worry about (the bill) is important.
    And we Canadians are lucky - we have that.
     
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  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I am glad that your surgery went well. Having universal healthcare is indeed a good thing to have but there is also the fact that we are mortal, the point is that instead of accumulating degrees and money, sometimes one must just enjoy life as those degrees and money cannot be taken anywhere after you die. I had few colleagues that died this year, one 72 and the other 84, they never retired and held demanding positions of authority until the end, they probably have few million in the bank but just the family will enjoy it now.
     
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  20. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I have been dealing with kidney stones and the fee ER trips and Lithotripsy has run me just under $7,000 after insurance.
     

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