Two new DEAC schools.

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    The problem for some students is that you qualify for licensure in California. There is not necessarily reciprocity in all states. Some of those state statutes may specify Regionally Accredited. Not sure how much Liberty University is but they may be a better bet.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I realize that. If I knew, I figured anybody serious about a counselling career would know that too. And the site says California licensure. My bad. Never assume, I guess. I should have said "California Licensure." We all know California is ... special. In so many ways. :)
     
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  4. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Cool... It's good we're getting more schools accredited, but most of these programs may already be available. Haven't checked their fee, but if there are RA equivalents for about the same price, then I don't really see the appeal of these two offerings.
     
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  5. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    The Hawaiian one is FREE, but you have to meet requirements in order to qualify. There are also nominal application & graduation fees of $100 each.
     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The counselling one is $15K. Checked a handful of random RA schools - looks like $600-700 per credit is common. So $15K is appreciably lower. Can't say that RA can't be had for less. Just didn't find any Master's in Counselling for less on a quick check. Take a full day and ....

    Liberty is $615 per hr. So it's more expensive. Unless you get the Veterans' discount of $250 / credit.
     
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  7. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Lamar's master's in counseling is cheaper, though they lost their CACREP accreditation. Also, FHSU and FVSU have cheaper CACREP counseling programs than Rhombus.
     
  8. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Correction: Lamar's program is just under 20k. FHSU is under 18k. FVSU is just under 14k. Either way, I would prefer to add a few more thousand and get the degree at Lamar or FHSU, or save 1k and attend FVSU.
     
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I have no problem with that. To each his own. Good to know there are RA degrees at that price point. Nice to know there's competition. Good find, Chris - as usual.
     
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  10. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Doesn't Kairos offer the same degree? And it looks like Kairos ought to be half the price, or less, unless you take a long time to complete it.
     
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good find. Like I said, I only checked a handful - not necessarily the best deals. Thanks.

    Nothing wrong with them, but I don't do religion-flavored degrees very well. Matter of fact, I don't do religion at all. (Atheist.) But you knew that, right? :)

    And my interest in Islamic finance has nothing to do with religion. It's all about money. You have to understand religion a bit so you know how and why the system works. But you do NOT have to have those religious beliefs, to make it work for you. You just do what they say, financially.
     
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm interested in seeing how Newlane U. and Nexford U. make out with their DEAC applications. If either makes the cut, it will be the first-ever ASIC-accredited school to attain recognized US accreditation. I don't really know what to say about that - except I'm very interested.
     
  13. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    It will be interesting to see if it helped prepare them (or not). I believe DEAC has become rather stringent. Don't think any of them want a repeat of the other accreditor that was on life support last time I checked (ACICS). They were in a death spiral but still around and trying to revive.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't think they will survive. I hope not. ACICS was on Death Row (deservedly, as see it) before -but Trump stuck his oar in, and convinced Betsy DeVos she should grant a reprieve. This time, no call from the Governor - or Presidential pardon. They're toast, I think. Shave a patch and fire up Old Sparky. ...Oh man, that awful smell...

    There will be much crying, pooping and litigation before the execution. But I see ACICS as a "Dead Accreditor Walking." And when it goes down, I'll smile.
     
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  15. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    It wasn't doing a good job and blew what it had. I imagine schools are leery at this point.

    ASIC on the other hand seems to have gotten a fair number of schools. They make it appear they are CHEA (and they aren't a recognized accreditor). They milk the limited UK approval they have. In my mind, it is pure self delusion or dishonesty if you can look at the list of accredited US schools and go "Wow! We are in the big leagues now". These aren't even Triple A. Most of the schools seem to be schools that could not obtain US accreditation. But then as you note, these two schools may prove us all wrong.
     
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  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That may be true. Another interpretation is that they're too thin to be consistent in their evaluations. As a result, they've become arbitrary and their evaluations vary widely by assessor. (Because they rely too heavily on that one person's evaluation.) That's my contemporary, first-hand experience anyway. Just one anecdote.
     
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    All that - perfectly true. One point: I believe ACICS has had its power to accredit or re-accredit suspended, for a second time. So schools won't need to be leery, wary, or whatever. There will doubtless be litigation (it has probably started by now) but I think, at the end - ACICS' permanent fate will be sealed. I certainly hope so.

    I think we can agree ASIC accreditation is meaningless, in terms of US recognition. I've heard knowledgeable people say that it's meaningless in other terms too. No remit whatsoever overseas. And yes - being on a CHEA committee, or list of overseas accrediting bodies is NOT recognition as a US accreditor. ASIC themselves are at least honest enough to say that their accreditation does not accord or augment degree-granting rights. The school has whatever permission it was granted by its own country. Period.

    Newlane and Nexford do seem serious. I ws surprised to hear (here on DI) from Newlane that someone at DEAC recommended they start with ASIC and then begin the DEAC process. I have nothing against either school. I wish them well. And if they're the first (and second) to make it from ASiC to recognized US accreditation - I'll applaud.
     
  18. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    If I've understood their tuition scheme correctly, the MA in Counselling should be somewhere around $9,600 (assuming it takes the usual 24 months to complete), no?

    Even at that price, that's still quite affordable. Anyone need a Counselling degree?
     
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  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, no. People say I definitely need counselling - but not the degree. :)
     

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