Citizenship

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Charles Fout, Jun 27, 2022.

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    On this note: did all y'all complete the inquiry on missing and murdered indigenous women, and what was the outcome?
     
  2. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I'd also like to remind everyone that the right for women to be able to fully own and control their physical property is actually younger than Roe vs. Wade. If certain factions gain control, it would be quite easy to repeal the Equal Credit Opportunity Act. Many of the same politicians who are rejoicing at the repeal of Roe vs. Wade have, at one time or another, made statements to the effect of the place of women being in the home. I'm sure they're plotting to repeal that act as soon as it's possible to do so.
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Uh - yeah, we did. Here are all the docs. https://www.mmiwg-ffada.ca/final-report/
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You might enjoy this:


    I am the one who happens to think US is, in fact, the best country in the world, and the biggest reason is the PEOPLE, who have the courage to criticize their own country. Mr. Armstrong, even though he's wrong, is one of those Americans who really make America the best. Even though, yeah, places like Canada (and BELGIUM!) do have freedom, better educational levels, and higher life expectancy.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Terrific. Do you think things will substantially change, beyond apologies?

    I am merely pointing out that as much as I miss my OHIP card, what I do not miss is Canadian national game of pretending their sh1t doesn't stink.
     
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think it had BETTER Change, Stanislav - as you know, we can no longer even PRETEND our sh*! doesn't stink - the reek now extends "From Sea to Shining Sea!" This subject (MMIW) has been a thing with me for a long time - not that I'm able, personally, to do anything about it. I wish I could.
    I can't even give to charity. There's a MMIW USA Charity, but not one for Canada. When I ask "what can I do?" the answer is "sign a petition." Whoop!
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It will be interesting to see how Justice Thomas will vote.
     
  8. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    The government prints the names of those who renounce citizenship quarterly in the official gazette The Federal Register.
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The Supreme Court can:
    • Legislate from the Bench
    • Determine any law to be unconstitutional, without restraint
    • Interpret the Constitution to mean anything it wants to, no matter what the document actually says
    Thus, everything is subject to change by them. Existing laws, newly enacted laws, the Executive carrying out laws, even their own prior decisions. They are not restricted by any rules and they alone decide if the rules apply. They are bound by nothing and no one, not even to each other.

    The checks (and balances) on the Supreme Court are:
    • Executive: Appointment by the President (with advice and consent of the Senate)
    • Legislative: Impeachment and conviction by Congress
    Other than criminal activity by a justice, that's the list.

    "If they can take them away from you, they're not rights; they're privileges." -- George Carlin
     
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  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wonder if he will go through with it. I also wonder if the Supreme Court's decison is the real reason. In view of what the Supreme Court actually DID as opposed to the screaming from both sides, leaving makes no sense to me. Better to stay and work for what you believe in.

    Usually high income/ high net worth Americans who renounce U.S. citizenship do so because they wish to avoid our tax on worldwide income. We make renunciation difficult to do, though. There's a possible exit tax and a rather involved formal process. You can't renounce if you are physically present in the U.S., its territories or possessions nor can you renounce if you have any intention of continuing to enjoy any of the benefits of citizenship. No renunciation of citizenship is valid until the U.S. Department of State approves. If the purpose is to evade taxes already owed, the taxes must be addressed in full.

    Finally, does this individual have legal status in the U.K.? It is possible to renounce and become stateless but that's not a smart move and our government will do its best to keep it from happening.
     
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  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I would add a few more:

    1. They're slightly constrained by having to have a relevant case before them in order to make a ruling on that subject.

    2. Their number isn't constitutionally set, so if they go completely off the rails then the other branches of government can pack the Court.

    3. As Andrew Jackson famously observed, they don't control any enforcement mechanism for their rulings. Although if the executive branch were to refuse to enforce them, I suppose that would be a nuclear option, constitutionally speaking.

    Even so, I take your point that that's not a lot.
     
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  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Incidently, Dr. Douglas' comment expresses exactly Justice Alito's reasoning for overruling Roe.
     
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, no less a President and lawyer Abraham Lincoln ignored a writ of habeas corpus from the Supreme Court.
     
  14. LevelUP

    LevelUP Active Member

    The Supreme Court is the weakest branch of government.
    1. They control no armies
    2. They can't control spending

    So, tomorrow, if the Supreme Court decides to ban sugar and alcohol for health reasons.

    What happens if states ignore this ban?

    Who is going to enforce this ban?

    Who is really to blame when rights get taken away? You should be asking swamp people in congress.
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Our rock musician, by the way, might find it difficult to enter the UK for awhile. A U.S. passport is a handy thing for worldwide travel but no developed country is likely to admit a U.S. citizen whose announced intention is to enter then renounce his U.S citizenship. What makes a passport useful is the certainty that the holder can, and likely will, go home after his visit. If you really want to emigrate, you need to do the thing correctly. You need to apply for and gain an immigrant visa to the target country FIRST.

    Canada might be a better choice.
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Isn't it always, though?
     
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    He's got money. Money will get you anything, He will get to do whatever he wants. Some handlers/helpers, immigration professionals etc. will smooth the way for him, if he elects to go through with it. If he wants it - it's a done deal. Start house-shopping, Billie Joe.

    UK is where I'm from and on paper, it's still my country. But it's Boris Johnson's turf right now, and nobody seems to be happy with that -- not even Boris, some days, I'm sure. If I were heading east, I'd go for the South of France. WAY too many English people there, but nice anyway. Roussillon would be my best choice I think... I might do OK there. Just dreaming...
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    MISTAKE ALERT! (Mine.) LevelUp's friend was from Guatemala. I wrote info for Nicaragua by mistake. Fees for Uni are usually monthly in Guatemala and I believe $500 USD monthly (or equivalent in quetzals) is about average - this sounds like a LOT for Guatemalan students. For "remarkable students" - lots of scholarships. Fair number of schools, the biggie open since around 1680 - but no indication of free or cheap for locals. I asked in Spanish and English and specified locals to make sure -- but nothing.

    Guatemalan Unis have an interesting internship that is for every Guatemalan Uni student. They have to teach at least 5 Guatemalans to read, during their program.

    LevelUp's friend might indeed do better to earn a US degree. Deals abound, as we know. Now if he were from Nicaragua.. it'd be different. But he isn't.

    Sorry I made this mistake.
     
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  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, there are ways money can get you a passport. That's true. A large enough investment can get you a U.S. green card. Whether the U.K. has such a program I don't know. Here it runs around $1-2 million. Is our hero really willing to tie up that much so he can enjoy a temper tantrum?
     
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Just noticed - one of the people who gave up American Citizenship is one of my faves - Tina Turner (now married to Erwin Bach.) She has become a Swiss citizen. Never forget you, Tina! Still got my 1984 copy of "Private Dancer."

    Google:

    "Turner, who was born in Tennessee, moved to Switzerland in 1995 to join her German-born record producer partner Erwin Bach and has lived there since. She enjoys the privacy she receives there and has no plans to live elsewhere, the spokeswoman said."

    "What's Love Got to Do with It?" - a lot, I'd say. Ms. Turner and Herr Bach have been married since July 4, 2013. Happy Anniversary next Monday, Tina!
     
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