Doctor of Management (DM) - 42 Credits/TRACS - about $16K USD

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes. No change. In their mindset, as I wrote. They accredit as if DL was still correspondence courses mailed in boxes.
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If it's really that bad - I'm wondering:

    (1) How they manage to keep their recognition by CHEA and USDoE.
    (2) If it's that easy, why they don't accredit more applicants - and a little faster.

    On the surface, they seem pretty choosy, e.g. it took Nations six years, but that may have been mostly Nations' doing. There are others that seem to take a very long time to get to YES or NO. What you're describing shouldn't work for ANY degree program - even an Applied Associate's. The very thought of it applied to a Doctorate of any sort...
     
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  3. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    The nursing profession requires programs to be accredited by ACEN or CCNE which allow graduates to take the NCLEX. In recent history, these nationally recognized programmatic accreditors have accredited a significant number of NA-accredited institutions when historically, they only accredited RA schools.

    Here are just a couple of examples. Aspen University is DEAC accredited institution with CCNE nursing program accreditation. Accreditation, Recognition and State Authorizations | Aspen University

    Fortis College nationally accredited by(Accrediting Bureau of Health Education Schools (ABHES) and Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges (ACCSC) has its nursing program accredited by ACEN formerly the NLNAC (National League of Nursing Accrediting Commission). Why enroll in an ACEN-accredited nursing program? (fortis.edu)

    There are many other examples! What's my point? Nationally accredited institutions are having their programs evaluated and accredited by national programmatic accreditors. Is it a result of the US Department of Education recent statement about RA versus NA? I don't know but the evidence seems to point toward nationally recognized program accreditation of schools that are simply accredited and listed with the US Dept of Ed. The nursing program accreditors have numerous boxes to check when accrediting programs and it is certainly an indicator that the RA vs NA issue really isn't a primary factor for consideration.
     
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  4. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    Yes, I have first-hand experience as a churchman and chaplain. Although, there are a fair amount of chaplaincy job postings that require an RA or ATS MDiv-- at least that was the case four or five years ago. I suppose you assumed my comment "and a significant amount of CPE" modified my comment about RA-- it wasn't.
     
  5. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Active Member

    We can only hope.
     
  6. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    As I mentioned previously, national program accreditors are now accrediting nursing programs in both NA and RA schools. I want to expand on your statement, "If it works for you, go for it." Let's take an NA nursing school for example that has its program CCNE or ACEN accredited. You pass the NCLEX and become an RN in your state. Later you decide to teach at the local nursing school only to find out they won't accept NA graduates. People need to realize the NA degree may "work" now but have limits for future use. As evidenced in this forum, there is still a bias towards secular versus nonsecular or NA versus RA, distance versus on-campus, virtual vs. brick and mortar, or even foreign versus domestic education. Accreditation attempts to set a standard but the bias remains and what works for me now may present challenges in the future.
     
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  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No so much from the inside. As for the outside, they accredited several schools who where claiming sham accreditation until they day DEAC accredited them. DEAC has a long history of looking the other way and/or bending its own rules.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I didn't say it was easy. I only said what I said, which had nothing to do with how hard it is (or isn't) to obtain their accreditation.

    But on that subject, I will say that there have been examples of schools who pursued DEAC and RA simultaneously. In each example, DEAC happened years sooner. Infer what you will.
    Not at all. I didn't say anything about the difficulty of courses. Rather, I commented on DEAC's mentality regarding delivery methodology.

    I'm having to fight off a lot of things I didn't say, nor implied.
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I won't trouble you any further, then.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No, it's not that dramatic. It's just hard to keep saying, "I didn't say that...."
     
  11. Alpine

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  12. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    The fact that an RA school like AUHS values maintaining TRACS accreditation, tells a lot about its commitment to providing a faith-based education for its students. It really puts a kink in the theory that TRACS accreditation is a "last resort" effort for "marginal" BPPE California schools.
     
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    How do we know they're maintaining TRACS accreditation? They were accredited by TRACS in 2017 for a five-year period, and they'll be up for renewal October of this year. If they decide to go through the renewal process, then they would be maintaining it. It looks like they applied for TRACS accreditation because it was faster to obtain. They didn't get WASC accreditation until 2019. This school doesn't offer any theology or religion programs.

    APUS had DETC (now DEAC) and HLC accreditation from 2006 to 2012.
     
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  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm an ordained minister and have a chaplain endorsement, so I've been looking at chaplain openings out of curiosity for the past few years.
     
  15. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    It will be interesting to see if AUHS lets TRACS accreditation expire this year and subsequently drops its statement of faith. I couldn’t find any religion courses. However, AUHS maintains blogs about religious topics on their website which apparently satisfies TRACS. TRACS accreditation requires an objective of “fostering excellence in Christian post secondary education.” The question remains if many of these TRACS accredited schools do enough to meet these “Christian objectives” or simply check a box to run a business. I don’t see any conflict in maintaining multiple accreditations except the cost may be too high. Does maintaining TRACS accreditation attract or turn away potential students? Does the TRACS accreditor require the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?
     
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  16. Alpine

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  17. sideman

    sideman Well Known Member

    And there you have it in a nutshell.
     
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  18. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    I do find it interesting that the same TRACS accreditor requires a total of 90 graduate credits for a doctorate at VUL and only 42 plus a masters at IAU? Perhaps it is up to the granting institution and not the accreditor as I was led to believe.
     
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  19. Courcelles

    Courcelles Active Member

    Pretty sure the BA plus 90 for a doctorate is a rule of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not TRACS.
     
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  20. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    They're a for-profit university. They might be run by Christians, but the institution isn't very Christian.
     

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