RNC Calls January 6, 2021 Legitimate Political Discourse

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I think you're overestimating how much attention independents will pay to this.
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You're probably correct. My primary concern is Trump winning the Presidency in 2024. What I fervently hope is that enough independents listen that it is much less likely that Trump can win a second term. What I think is much less likely than that though is that enough in the Republican base listen that he wouldn't win the Republican candidacy if he decides to run.
     
  3. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I think worse than Trump would be if a "stealth" Republican won. A Republican who seems, at least to most, to be a "moderate" but who is perfectly willing and able to pull off the kind of things that Trump only dreamed about.

    How much more effective might Trump's coup attempt been if his cabinet hadn't had such a high turnover rate? If Trump was an actual strategist rather than thinking that brute-force methods would always get him what he wanted?
     
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  4. Vicki

    Vicki Well-Known Member

    I will never understand Trump’s appeal. And I will never vote for any Republican as long as Trump is a factor. Every Republican ad talks about Trump. “I voted with Trump”, “ProTrump”, “Trump endorsed”…. Blah blah blah. It’s weird and gross. They act like he’s a friggin god. And I married a Trump supporter. :(
     
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  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A "competent Trump" would indeed be very scary. I just don't think it likely that a non-Trump presidential candidate would be as dishonest, self-centered, unpatriotic, and dangerous as Trump.
     
  6. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I don't know about that. Some get pretty close, if not go further, now that they've seen just how much Trump has been able to get away with and still be beloved. There are a lot of people who will put up with almost anything, as long as it means "owning the libs".
     
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  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The January 6 committee hearing tonight, I believe, proved that the January 6, 2021 insurrection was not legitimate political discourse. That means that the RNC were lying when they made that assertion. Going a bit further, the upcoming public hearings will likely show that the RNC along with many elected Republicans have been turned into despicable liars and insurrectionist by Donald Trump.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    My favorite quote from the hearing was a statement made by Liz Cheney. Speaking to her Republican colleagues that are defending the indefensible she said, "Some day Donald Trump will be gone but your dishonor will remain."
     
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, Jan 6th was wrong on all accounts I think many in RNC will agree with that. It was dangerous for our democracy and life lost, tragic events.
    Many in the MAGA camp call the current Jan 6th hearings a "third impeachment trial" and that the timing because the fear of DT running in 2024.
    What if another Republican will be the nominee in 2024? Then you start thinking about some other scenarios because other Republican contenders — one in particular with a lot of people are thinking of these days who happen to be from a state that’s pretty warm and known for oranges. What if DeSantis ends up the nominee?
    I think its not Trump but the issues such as inflation, stock market, crime and others that will have the voter attention.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The RNC explicitly stated that January 6, 2021 was legitimate political discourse.

    If DeSantis is the nominee in 2024, I would be surprised if he argues that January 6, 2021 was legitimate political discourse.

    That is, of course, true for the 2022 midterms. That would, of course, be false in 2024 if Trump was the nominee.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member


    I have one example. A friend's Mother was a staunch Trump supporter and exclusive Fox News watcher. She has watched the three hearings. She stated that she is now totally disgusted by Trump and is furious about the 1/6 violence.
     
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  13. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I'm sure there was never a poll that showed Benghazi was the most urgent issue facing the country, but there were 10 separate investigations into it (six by Republican-controlled House committees.) I think we can spare members on one committee to investigate the attempted destruction of our democracy.

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  14. LevelUP

    LevelUP Active Member

    CNN and the rest of the legacy new media, along with these swamp politicians have lost all credibility. That's why nobody is watching their Jan 6th circus committee show.

    What Trump did was "legitimate political discourse," and all spelled out in the constitution. Did this go against political norms? Sure, but so did calling Seattle's 3-week 6 city block insurrection a "summer of love" and letting the mob freely rob, rape, and kill people inside the CHAZ zone, telling the police to stand down. Nothing was normal in 2020, and not today either, for that matter.

    Republicans, if they wanted in Jan of 2021, had the legal authority by a state-to-state vote in the house of representatives, in which they had the majority (state majority, which is what matters for this specific vote) to elect Trump without a vote from the people.

    In 1864 congress elected John Quincy Adams even though Andrew Jackson won both the popular vote and had the electoral lead. Our democracy wasn't destroyed when this happened in the past and wouldn't be destroyed if this happened in the future.

    CNN's Van Jones, a lawyer, actually tells the truth here and does an excellent job at explaining what happens if a president refuses to concede.

     
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  15. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/business/media/jan-6-hearing-ratings.html

    At Least 20 Million Watched Jan. 6 Hearing, "much larger than the audience that would normally watch a daytime congressional hearing"

    When you start with a lie, there's no point in reading further. So I didn't.

    When you can make a point without easily debunked falsehoods, you can sit at the adult's table and be treated as such.
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    1864 was the tail end of the Civil War, and was the year Abraham Lincoln was reelected.
     
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  17. LevelUP

    LevelUP Active Member

    20 million? Yawn.

    The evening newscasts on CBS, NBC & ABC average anywhere from 18 to 20 million viewers combined on a typical night. Those newscasts do not air in primetime. The January 6 hearings airing in primetime Thursday took in just 11+ million viewers on those three same networks.

    https://twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1535299526508130305

    Anymore strawmans you got?
     
  18. LevelUP

    LevelUP Active Member

    1824, not 1864. Typo.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    At Least 20 Million Watched Jan. 6 Hearing - The New York ...


    That is incorrect. Having a crowd attack and injure 140 policemen in order to try to stop the official electoral college count is not legal and therefore not legitimate political discourse.

    The assertion about what the state legal authority is is fortunately also incorrect. As far as federal law and the federal constitution is concerned you're correct. However, all 50 states have laws on the books that electoral votes are decided by the voters in the state not by the state legislators. Further, all of the states had met the safe harbor deadline of December 8, 2020 so those electoral votes were locked in by federal law. If by state-to-state vote you're referring to the 1824 election, that is a separate mechanism that we never got too because the 2020 election produced a clear majority winner in the electoral college. The state electors were all certified already by the individual states.

    The TED talk video was a hypothetical presentation of what could happen. It was recorded prior to the 2020 election. It was NOT a presentation of what actually happened and what the legal possibilities were based on what actually happened. What you apparently missed is that most of his hypothetical descriptions assumed an extremely close race like in the Gore vs. Bush race. The 2020 election was not close. It would have even been illegal for Gore to declare on January 6, 2001 that he had won the election just like it would have been illegal for Pence to declare on January 6, 2021 that Trump had won the election. Which is exactly what Trump wanted Pence to do.
     
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  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    You don't seem to know what the definition of a strawman is.
     

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