Trinity University Law School J.D. resident or online

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    www.tls.edu

    Interesting. Regionally accredited and CalBar accredited. Not ABA. The school operates a Center for Human Rights that looks like legitimate. J.D. tuition for the total three years in residence or on-line (not sure if that's four years) program is about $95,000 which makes it kind of expensive for a non-ABA degree but still much cheaper than any ABA approved program in California of which I am aware.

    Trinity Law has been around for forty years having begun as Simon Greenleaf Law School. They've built something valuable here, around their conservative Christian ideology, true, but enduring. One reason I suspect that they have lasted this long is that they refused the siren song of ABA accreditation.

    I don't know whether the seas ahead are stormy though. I read somewhere that CalBar now imposes a two year minimum 40% Bar pass rate to maintain accreditation. Considerably more relaxed compared with the ABA's standard but it might be a struggle even for Trinity.
     
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  2. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    When I read "Christian ideology", I hope they're not like Liberty, where you have to include Bible passages into every assignment that you submit, whether you're Christian or not.
     
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  3. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    What is the issue with that? Folks should know what they are getting into and if they do not like the Christian aspect of a university, they can easily avoid it. So long as they are upfront with it, the prospective student would know what to expect.
     
  4. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    Hmmm. As usual, a post like this was not meant as an attack on Christianity or whatever.
    Having a religious view on something, when it's related to that subject is ok. How is it relevant when you're studying business administration or supply chain management or whatever.
    Personal opinion and you will have yours. Looking forward to this thread branching out into something else lol
     
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  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, in Trinity's case their Christian orientation probably IS relevant to the mission of the school. I note that Notre Dame Law School not only operates a Religious Liberty Center, it offers the only JSD degree I know of in the U.S. in Human Rights Law. So it IS done. https://law.nd.edu/academics/degrees/j-s-d-degree/
     
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  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Besides, Notre Dame maintains a pipe organ in 1/4 comma meantone. That alone should guarantee at least a seat in Heaven's bleachers.
     
  7. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Even as a Christian, I imagine it gets tiring at Liberty needing to relate every discussion back to the Bible. Eastern asks professors to integrate faith into their teaching, which I appreciate, but without needing to shoehorn religious references into lessons on linear algebra, for example.
     
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  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Especially since algebra and geometry (and music) can get...awkward...when you start looking for heavenly perfection and elegance. Surely Heaven could have done a more careful job...:rolleyes:
     
  9. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I mean, you were the first one to mention something other than the purpose of the original post. I do not recall the OP saying anything about Christianity. That said, I do not want to derail the thread because it does bug me when others do that.
     
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  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The purpose of the original post was to highlight a rather remarkable CalBar accredited law school and mention that its degree can be earned on line.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    A secondary purpose appeared a bit later being a chance to spread the "gospel" about the beauty of 1/4 comma meantone. To paraphrase a New Zealand builder and tuner of harpsichords, "once you become accustomed to the sound of pure thirds in meantone you may not be satisfied with much else in the way of temperament." He's right.
     
  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The music part shouldn't be an issue. Just image there's no heaven. It's easy if you try.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    WKRP in Cincinnati had a nice treatment on that song:
     
  14. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    There are huge differences between different Christian universities. Some are in name only, maybe with Christian-oriented ethics and a required religion class. Some, like Liberty, require Biblical citations in every subject. I would be fine with the former, less okay with the latter.
     
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  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But imagining that there is no heaven doesn't help the fact that a stack of pure fifths will never add up exactly to an octave! Ever. Ever, ever.
     
  16. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    I understand. My comment was directed at the method of instruction that requires shoehorning Bible quotes into every facet of the instruction.
    I just didn't want the conversation to devolve into a defense of Christian (or faith-based) colleges or the right/choice to go to a particular institution or straight up branch out into a religion-based debate.
     
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  17. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Old enough to remember a poster on this board who attended Simon Greenleaf School of Law, albeit not for a professional law degree. He did some other things around distance education, then changed careers to trucking…
     
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  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Okay, I found the new CalBar accreditation standard. Minimum 40% cumulative pass rate over two years. Right now, I don't know whether any CalBar school meets that standard but I would imagine that the ex-ABA crowd probably does, meaning LaVerne and Thomas Jefferson. There are also two or three long term CalBar schools like San Joaquin and Northern California that might be okay. Others might be looking at some trouble. Trinity seems like it might be in the latter category but I'm just guessing. My sentimental favorite, San Francisco Law School, is already on probation.
     
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  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes and he would have made an outstanding lawyer.
     
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  20. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Good ole Steve Levicoff. I have not seen him post in quite some time.
     
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