AACSB, AMBA, and BGA Suspend Accreditation and Membership for Russian Institutions

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  1. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Nice trend. Not very relevant for most here; who and why would choose to study business in Russia, given any other choice? Other than learning important business concepts: "raspil" (roughly, embezzlement) and "otkat" (kickback).
     
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  3. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Yeah I would venture to say the vast majority of folks on DI are not pursuing a business degree from a Russian institution. However, it is a relevant topic in regards to accreditation. It probably should have been put in the accreditation portion of the forum though.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Dang! There go my hopes and dreams. I had a distance магистра в откачке (Master's in Siphoning-Off) all lined up. You see, there's this sweet young lady in St. Petersburg. I had plans, but she only dates Oligarchs... :)
     
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Hmm. Okay.
     
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  6. I struggle with this just like I struggle with not allowing Russian athletes to compete in some countries. The students in these schools and the athletes are not the government. They are victims as much as the Ukrainians. Punishing students and athletes for the actions of megalomaniac seem a bit harsh to me.
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No they aren't. Not NEARLY as much. Nobody is shelling their homes or their schools, killing many and leaving the survivors in the cold and dark, without food, water or medicine. I don't think it's proper for organizations in Western countries to lend endorsement to the schools of the Dictator. Or anything else he rules over.

    His schools are one of the Dictator's best weapons. Indoctrination, as has been noted, is very powerful. I'd no more endorse this guy's schools than I would sell him plutonium.
     
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  9. True, if you referring to degrees of victhood.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think it's perfectly fair - just as today, American bodies would not think of endorsing a school in North Korea. Who would want to see an accredited program in Juche Studies anyway, besides Kim Jong Un?

    The idea of US endorsement of Putin's schools is as repellent to me as endorsing Hitler's schools in 1939 would have been.
    К черту Путина!
     
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    In this case, I see no other sane choice. The bastard is killing kids. By the hundreds. Don't make light of it.
     
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  12. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I don't see him making light of it. He's just saying that the moves a government makes--especially governments that are open dictatorships or quasi-dictatorahips--don't directly or often even at all reflect the will and conscience of the people who live where those governments operate.
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And are you BOTH saying that students not being able to compete in sporting events etc. are, quote: "victims just as much as Ukrainians" whose homes and schools are shelled and where survivors are left in the cold and dark without food, water or medicine - and very possibly minus some children, relatives or friends. Or is it just "Mr. Steele" saying that.

    Sporting events are trivial in comparison. What, they can't play sports against other countries? WAAAAA! Play at home, then. Better than being dead, like too many Ukrainian kids. (ONE is too many.) The leader has to be punished for WAR CRIMES - killing civilians including kids. Nail and deter him any way we can. We are NOT physically hurting his nation's kids in any way. We don't do things HIS way. we do them OUR way. Putin's not in our league.

    К черту Путина!

    I don't see a problem here - and if someone values sports-over-lives, or values them ANYWHERE NEAR equally, I think they're uh - severely conflicted and their priorities are COMPLETELY out-of-whack, to say the VERY least. :(

    Said my piece - done now. Refuse to debate it further.
     
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  14. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Nope, I said only what I said and it certainly wasn't anything unreasonable or outrageous, nor was it specific to something relatively unimportant during a time of war like sports.

    No one here is in favor of what's happening, and I have to believe you know that.
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sympathy was expressed by Mr. Steele for Russian young people - they were "Victims as much as Ukrainians" - just because they couldn't play sports with other countries or have US accreditation in their schools. Oh, such harshness! And YOU, Learning Addict, say that is not making light of the situation? I say it is. In view of your statement, how am I to convince myself as to exactly what percentages of your deep sympathies lie with each side?

    I told you I did not wish to elaborate further on this ODIOUS comparison - civilian deaths vs. so-called "hardships." If Russian students and athletes don't like their restrictions - they can blame their murderous, vile leader. At least they are alive to do so. I am now forced to use the mechanism this forum provides, in order to ignore both of you. For as long as I continue here. At this rate, that may not be long.
     
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  16. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Wow. You've really gone way overboard here, particularly with attributing things to me that I didn't say. I hope whatever is going on with you doesn't last long, and I mean that sincerely and without malice. Good luck:emoji_v:
     
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Tough going, but I still have zero sympathy to spare for these people.
    International sporting events, as well as international accrediting bodies, lend a measure of prestige to people/entities flying Russian flag. This is, right now, unacceptable - hence the reaction of the relevant bodies. Can it be unfair to an individual athlete? Yes, it can - but the reverse would be way more unfair to way more people. In students' case, the effect is negligible anyway.

    And yes, to the previous discussion - I would absolutely "cancel" Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy. Even though Tolstoy would likely condemn what Putin is doing (Dosto would not; he was a bit of a West-hating imperialist vatnik in his day).
     
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  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This doesn't make any sense at all. Cancelling an entire ethnicity because of reprehensible actions for which only a few of them are responsible is collectivism at its very, very worst. The sanctions and/or ostracism should be on those causing the problem. Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy are not causing the problem.
     
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  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    They did cancel us, for centuries. I saw a video with interviews with older Kozak villagers of Kuban' region; it's heart-breaking. Their descendants think that Kuban' was always Russian. This same tactic almost succeeded in East Ukraine as well; hunger and repressions were combined with cultural supremacy propaganda pushing PushTolYevsky.
    Russian cultural brands are banners of "Russian World"; they are very much helping causing problems. They are not in any danger of being "canceled " in their own borders, so they should follow their warship there. Their works are not Mein Kampf, so no reason for bans, just stop the promotion.
     

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